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07:30 <dottedmag> Is this the list of cursors applications expect to be contained in cursor themes? https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/cursor-spec/

07:34 <emersion> dottedmag: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-specs/-/issues/94

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07:36 <dottedmag> Ugh, so there are three sets: X cursors, cursor-spec and CSS? Lovely.

07:36 <emersion> cursor-spec == CSS

07:37 <emersion> or a subset thereof

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07:39 <dottedmag> With the one exception: up-arrow is mentioned in "for discussion" part of cursor-spec, but not in CSS

07:40 <emersion> indeed

07:40 <dottedmag> so yeah, two sets.

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09:09 <pq> vyivel, state in general (like geometry) vs. window state.

09:10 <pq> window state as in maximized or not etc.

09:11 <pq> OTOH, a window's state includes things like its size and geometry and window state.

09:11 <pq> though window state is implicit in that, going through the ack-configure request

09:12 <pq> so, a window's state is not the same concept as window-state

09:13 <pq> dottedmag, ^

09:25 <wlb> weston Issue #674 opened by Alexandros Frantzis (afrantzis) kiosk-shell does not present application surfaces https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/674

09:34 <wlb> weston Merge request !1018 opened by Alexandros Frantzis (afrantzis) kiosk-shell: Update view transform after activation. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1018

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09:50 <dottedmag> pq: thnx

09:50 <wlb> weston Merge request !1019 opened by Tomohito Esaki (etom) ivi-shell: activate desktop surface https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1019

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10:31 <zamundaaa[m]> Is there any way to find out which format+modifier (+flag?) pairs work for exporting a gbm_bo from one gbm device and importing it to another, without actually testing it?

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10:37 <pq> zamundaaa[m], good question, I can't find anything in GBM API that would give out a format+modifier list.

10:38 <pq> I guess usually that comes from EGL or Vulkan

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10:41 <zamundaaa[m]> I'm mostly asking for the "zero copy" multi gpu path with gbm_bo_import, for which afaict information from egl wouldn't be reliable

10:56 <pq> zamundaaa[m], in that case you'd ask KMS for the formats+modifiers, no?

10:57 <pq> Server asks KMS for a list, sends the list to client, client allocates with that list and exports.

11:00 <zamundaaa[m]> Yes, and no

11:00 <zamundaaa[m]> KMS only says which formats it can use

11:00 <pq> the gbm import for KMS purposes is kind of overlooked in that case, but I wouldn't expect the gbm import to be a restricting factor

11:00 <zamundaaa[m]> The KMS formats don't say that the format can be imported for the device

11:01 <pq> zamundaaa[m], err, huh?

11:01 <pq> it does at least say that trying anything *else* is not going to work

11:01 <zamundaaa[m]> In KWin we quite often have the case that allocating a buffer on one device with the modifier list of another device doesn't result in a buffer that can be imported with gbm_bo_import

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11:02 <pq> oh ffs, matrix

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11:02 <zamundaaa[m]> Was the message too long or sth?

11:02 <kennylevinsen> okay this is a heck of a lot worse than an IRC netsplit or bouncer restart >.>

11:02 <kennylevinsen> zamundaaa[m]: mass join from matrix

11:03 <emersion> happens every 3h or so at this point

11:03 <kennylevinsen> and *slowly* to enhance spamminess

11:03 <pq> zamundaaa[m], yes, cross-device import is very luck-intensive.

11:03 <pq> zamundaaa[m], however, if you don't use the format lists, your luck will be even less.

11:04 <zamundaaa[m]> pq: I wouldn't want to not use the list, I'd like to have some way to filter the list by what's actually supported for exporting and importing for the relevant devices

11:05 <pq> zamundaaa[m], I think that's https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/allocator/allocator

11:05 <emersion> zamundaaa[m]: can't you get information from KMS?

11:05 <pq> IOW a unicorn at this point

11:05 <emersion> instead of EGL

11:06 <pq> zamundaaa[m], I don't know of any other way than actually allocating and trying to import.

11:07 <pq> even if that succeeds, it does not guarantee that format+modifier will always succeed.

11:07 <pq> also import may not be enough, you should also try creating the drm FB which might fail also

11:08 <emersion> … and creating the DRM FB might not be enough either

11:08 <pq> if you successfully create a drm FB, then I would think the chances are pretty good that that one buffer will actually work in KMS

11:09 <pq> but not 100%, indeed

11:09 <pq> an atomic TEST_ONLY commit is the closest you can test without actually using it

11:10 <zamundaaa[m]> Don't worry, by now I'm used to drm not guaranteeing anything

11:11 <pq> there are two different directions of import, too

11:12 <pq> since scanout is probably the most restricting use of a buffer, you might have better luck allocating one the KMS device, and importing to the rendering device.

11:12 <pq> *on the KMS device

11:13 <pq> on discrete card, scanout from elsewhere than local VRAM may not be a good idea if it even works

11:13 <emersion> but then rendering could be pretty slow…

11:14 <pq> yeah, cross-device access sucks.

11:15 <pq> maybe doing an explicit cross-device copy is the best option sometimes

11:24 <zamundaaa[m]> Multi gpu kinda sucks in general. I guess I'll see if testing the different modifiers is fast enough...

12:09 <pq> Two years ago in Weston I wrote the drm_screenshot_no_damage test, on theoretical grounds if I am to believe my commit message.

12:09 <pq> Today I tripped that test.

12:11 <pq> The past me was smarter than I am.

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12:48 <LaserEyess> I'm curious, what prevents this from being merged? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/150#note_1565525

12:49 <LaserEyess> is there some sort of scheduling with releases where new protocols necessitate a new release?

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12:54 <pq> LaserEyess, seems to be wp_ namespace extension. Maybe the governance doc has specified some time period one has to wait in case someone wants to NAK it.

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13:05 <LaserEyess> I do not see any requirement for that in GOVERNANCE.md

13:07 <LaserEyess> I guess, in principle, it doesn't matter if it's merged right now, since a release is needed anyway for downstream support

13:11 <pq> section 2.3.3 sets a minimum waiting period, but that seems to have well passed

13:11 <pq> doesn't seem like there are any blockers

13:12 <LaserEyess> yes I mean that comment says all conditions are met for merging, which I assume to be taken as literally: it can be merged right now

13:12 <LaserEyess> I guess I'm just curious why it wasn't instantly merged

13:43 <emersion> LaserEyess: generally we wait for a but in case somebody has objections

13:52 <jadahl> the time period is 30 days, that mr has been open for 5 months

13:53 <jadahl> so yea, just the polite last few days of last round of review opportunity I guess

13:59 <LaserEyess> fair enough

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20:47 <wlb> wayland-protocols Issue #8 closed \o/ (Add KDE's idle protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/8)

20:47 <wlb> wayland-protocols/main: Simon Ser * ext-idle-notify: new protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/commit/dc625d5acf02 staging/ext-idle-notify/README staging/ext-idle-notify/ext-idle-notify-v1.xml meson.build

20:47 <wlb> wayland-protocols Merge request !29 merged \o/ (idle-notify: new protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/29)

20:57 <wlb> wayland-protocols/main: Emmanuel Gil Peyrot * staging/content-type: Content type hint support https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/commit/c60529087d48 staging/content-type/README staging/content-type/content-type-v1.xml meson.build

20:57 <wlb> wayland-protocols Issue #15 closed \o/ (Content type protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/15)

20:57 <wlb> wayland-protocols Merge request !150 merged \o/ (staging/content-type: alternative content type hint support https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/150)

20:59 <wlb> wayland-protocols Merge request !165 opened by Simon Ser (emersion) build: alphabetically sort list of staging protocols https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/165

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