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karolherbst >
lina: having the same VA on both sides is something which is also required once you are doing SVM like things. So totally not surprised Apple is doing it, because it helps a lot if you share deep data structures (think linked lists) between both sides a lot. I suspect their design makes this much easier, but there might also be a flag to not do this.
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also for the GPU shutdown hack: can you test if doing only a WFI on both sides (GPU and ASC) also solves the issue? The kernel driver overwriting/changing state while it's still in use by other pieces still sounds like the most likely problem here to me.
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karolherbst: Except for the part where GPU VAs are only 40 bits so it's incompatible with more common 48-bit VA configs on the AP side... and the firmware doesn't support demand paging either. Apple don't use 1:1 mappings at all.
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It's like the GPU team took a few steps in that direction but they're not there yet?
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ahh, might be
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the VA not matching isn't a problem though, in userspace you just reserve the entire area the GPU can't use and off you go
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Well... sure, but that's the same as just using 40-bit VAs to begin with, which isn't great...
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yeah...
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40 isn't a lot
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anyway, not sure that was Apple's reason for doing it, just reminded me of that reading your gist
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I'm not sure what you mean with doing a WFI. I can't change ASC code so I can't force it to do that, and what does WFI mean for the GPU?
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waiting until all command submissions are done
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not sure how that works on apple hardware, but e.g. on nvidia we submit and then have to do fencing and wait on those to be sure the GPU actually reached certain sync points in the command stream
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normally you want all of that to be quite asynchronous to not starve either side
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I'm already doing that, all submissions are synchronous right now... but I've been messing with stuff today and now I'm wondering if I'm confusing myself again.
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Because previously I could reproduce the problem with kmscube (at least sometimes) and now I can't...
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yeah... I don't have strong arguments here, just a gut feeling
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alyssa >
fearless concurrency
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maybe the firmware isn't thread safe
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And now I crashed kmscube, okay, so it's just not as bad as before.
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karolherbst: The problems lately have been GPU timeouts, which happen when the GPU side buffers are bad (they aren't faults so it's not crazy pointers, but just "something that wedges the GPU")
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So not a firmware issue
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yeah.. I saw... those things are hard to figure out if no debugging tools are available :/ One super annoying thing we had to debug with nvidia was, that fragment shader helper invocation weren't doing any loads and loops in shaders were running infinitely...
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and there is some magic privilged register you can poke to enable those loads
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we'd never figured out what to do if nvidia wouldn't have told me what the solution is
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some magic bit in the hw context init sequence
*sigh*
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karolherbst: The reason I think it's TLBs (or closely related caches) is all the problems go away if I never free/unmap anything, as far as I can tell
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mhh yeah...
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that does sound like some flushing issue
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maybe some random caches need to be invalidated or something or something something
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Yeah, I'm thinking either TLBs or virtually tagged caches clashing on remapped VAs or physically tagged caches clobbering unmapped memory with dirty data or both...
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it's insance how much of the command stream stuff contains "invalidatre this and that" on hardware across the board
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lina: did you try the "invalidate twice" trick? it's unlikely it's that bug, but it's probably a single line to copy (disclaimer: I haven't read your code yet) so it should be easy to try -> worth a shot :)
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I think I'm invalidating in so many codepaths I'm effectively already invalidating twice... ^^
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(I have whole-TLB invals spammed everywhere in the MMU code right now)
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haha
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appleboy711[m] >
How well does the M2 GPU work right now for Asahi Linux? (I do have an M2 Macbook Pro 13", but I am too scared to download something experimental on it)
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alyssa >
it doesn't
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alyssa >
ughhh does AGX do magical dependency handling for iter instructions
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alyssa >
this program is flaking. it really should not be
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alyssa >
Extraordinarily rare flake
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alyssa >
My guess is that there is a write-after-write dependency between the iter instructions
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alyssa >
What I don't know is why.
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alyssa >
At a uarch level I men
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cr1901 >
flake as in "draws garbage"?
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phire >
what does the iter instruction do? based on the args, load and interpolate varyings?
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phire >
is the divider not fully pipelined?
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alyssa >
cr1901: yeah, in exceptionally rare cases
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alyssa >
phire: yes, interpolates varyings
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alyssa >
no idea about the uarch
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alyssa >
I have a code sample from the blob doing writes-after-writes with ldcf
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alyssa >
So this might be an iter specific quirk
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cr1901 >
I thought write-after-writes was a performance penalty (but doesn't cause incorrect program operation). Do GPUs forego those checks and expect you to just "don't do that"?
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alyssa >
Every GPU uarch does something different here
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alyssa >
AGX seems to be inconsistent?
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alyssa >
Debugging
*did* lead me to a bit that controls forwarding of varyings to sample coordinates
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alyssa >
i.e. a fast path for "texture2D(tex, v_texcoords.xy)"
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alyssa >
on Mali that's a special instruction