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<marcan>
alyssa: +M on the dev channels is a good idea, but yeah, at this rate we're dropping the matrix gateway
<marcan>
moving to Matrix is not an option unless we host our own instance, and I'm not spending bandwidth on that
<marcan>
karolherbst: if you want emojis in nicknames I wouldn't mind moving to Discord (it actually has decent moderation tooling) but I suspect a lot of people would not be onboard with that :p
<karolherbst>
yeah............................
* Tramtrist
would be sad
<karolherbst>
there is always rocketchat *runs*
<marcan>
lol
<marcan>
anyway, realistically, a lot of the kernel dev community involved or related to the project is already on OFTC for various reasons
<marcan>
I don't see a good reason to move elsewhere
<marcan>
and I also don't really see almost any core devs coming in via Matrix exclusively
<karolherbst>
yeah... the pain point about matrix is just the bridge being... well... useless
<Tramtrist>
❤️
<karolherbst>
is the bridge even banning on the matrix side?
<marcan>
I think it's supposed to? no idea
<karolherbst>
no clue either
<karolherbst>
but seems like the idiots always come from matrix as it seems :/
<marcan>
yeah, and we can't moderate matrix, because it doesn't expose user IPs
<karolherbst>
ohhh.....
<karolherbst>
oh wow, that's stupid.. well... stupid as in: stupid
<marcan>
yup.
<marcan>
I'm comfortable moderating IRC, if we get really persistent attackers I have experience with that
<karolherbst>
I understand the sentiment of hiding IPs, but then they should provide other ways of moderation
<Tramtrist>
aye.. its a solvable problem
<marcan>
e.g. I still have an Eggdrop instance lying around I could point here and start throwing moderation scripts at
<karolherbst>
like requiring accounts
<marcan>
exactly...
<Tramtrist>
been around since.... IRC was IRC
<marcan>
as I said earlier, IRC has 20 years of experience defending against persistent attackers, and Matrix needs to take a page from that
* Tramtrist
hosted various IRC nodes over the years
<karolherbst>
yeah...
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<Tramtrist>
whoa
<marcan>
so there.
<marcan>
farewell matrix...
<karolherbst>
after moving away from freenode I am actually surprised how few trolls and spam bots we've gotten on oftc
<marcan>
I'll make a PR tweet
<Tramtrist>
And so it was
<Tramtrist>
And so it shall be
<Tramtrist>
Its on the wiki too
<Tramtrist>
science
<Tramtrist>
It's small beer but.. those clowns will likely claim some victory.. whatever
<karolherbst>
who cares
<marcan>
shrug
<Tramtrist>
hai
<marcan>
as far as I'm concerned Matrix was always on the chopping block if this happened, and from the very start I'd heard the horror stories of moderation issues
<marcan>
it's good it lasted this long
<karolherbst>
same
<Tramtrist>
Sad
<karolherbst>
meh
<Tramtrist>
Surprised they didnt learn from IRC
<karolherbst>
knowing about the issue and not doing anything: well... kind of deserve it then not being used, no?
<Tramtrist>
ya
<Tramtrist>
thats the sad thing
<karolherbst>
as I said: somebody should write an alternative in Rust. Then one has to solve this problem on day one, because otherwise you'll get those Rust haters :P
<Tramtrist>
if only i had the xkcd for that at hand
<karolherbst>
nah, rewriting in rust eliminates all alternatives
<karolherbst>
that's how it works
<Tramtrist>
hah
<Tramtrist>
k.. X-files on now. gotta focus .. talk to you all later
<karolherbst>
have fun
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<phire>
Yeah, I never liked matrix
<phire>
And IRC is dying :(
<phire>
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