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<marcan> alyssa: +M on the dev channels is a good idea, but yeah, at this rate we're dropping the matrix gateway
<marcan> moving to Matrix is not an option unless we host our own instance, and I'm not spending bandwidth on that
<marcan> karolherbst: if you want emojis in nicknames I wouldn't mind moving to Discord (it actually has decent moderation tooling) but I suspect a lot of people would not be onboard with that :p
<karolherbst> yeah............................
* Tramtrist would be sad
<karolherbst> there is always rocketchat *runs*
<marcan> lol
<marcan> anyway, realistically, a lot of the kernel dev community involved or related to the project is already on OFTC for various reasons
<marcan> I don't see a good reason to move elsewhere
<marcan> and I also don't really see almost any core devs coming in via Matrix exclusively
<karolherbst> yeah... the pain point about matrix is just the bridge being... well... useless
<Tramtrist> ❤️
<karolherbst> is the bridge even banning on the matrix side?
<marcan> I think it's supposed to? no idea
<karolherbst> no clue either
<karolherbst> but seems like the idiots always come from matrix as it seems :/
<marcan> yeah, and we can't moderate matrix, because it doesn't expose user IPs
<karolherbst> ohhh.....
<karolherbst> oh wow, that's stupid.. well... stupid as in: stupid
<marcan> yup.
<marcan> I'm comfortable moderating IRC, if we get really persistent attackers I have experience with that
<karolherbst> I understand the sentiment of hiding IPs, but then they should provide other ways of moderation
<Tramtrist> aye.. its a solvable problem
<marcan> e.g. I still have an Eggdrop instance lying around I could point here and start throwing moderation scripts at
<karolherbst> like requiring accounts
<marcan> exactly...
<Tramtrist> been around since.... IRC was IRC
<marcan> as I said earlier, IRC has 20 years of experience defending against persistent attackers, and Matrix needs to take a page from that
* Tramtrist hosted various IRC nodes over the years
<karolherbst> yeah...
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<Tramtrist> whoa
<marcan> so there.
<marcan> farewell matrix...
<karolherbst> after moving away from freenode I am actually surprised how few trolls and spam bots we've gotten on oftc
<marcan> I'll make a PR tweet
<Tramtrist> And so it was
<Tramtrist> And so it shall be
<Tramtrist> Its on the wiki too
<Tramtrist> science
<Tramtrist> It's small beer but.. those clowns will likely claim some victory.. whatever
<karolherbst> who cares
<marcan> shrug
<Tramtrist> hai
<marcan> as far as I'm concerned Matrix was always on the chopping block if this happened, and from the very start I'd heard the horror stories of moderation issues
<marcan> it's good it lasted this long
<karolherbst> same
<Tramtrist> Sad
<karolherbst> meh
<Tramtrist> Surprised they didnt learn from IRC
<karolherbst> knowing about the issue and not doing anything: well... kind of deserve it then not being used, no?
<Tramtrist> ya
<Tramtrist> thats the sad thing
<karolherbst> as I said: somebody should write an alternative in Rust. Then one has to solve this problem on day one, because otherwise you'll get those Rust haters :P
<Tramtrist> if only i had the xkcd for that at hand
<karolherbst> nah, rewriting in rust eliminates all alternatives
<karolherbst> that's how it works
<Tramtrist> hah
<Tramtrist> k.. X-files on now. gotta focus .. talk to you all later
<karolherbst> have fun
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<phire> Yeah, I never liked matrix
<phire> And IRC is dying :(
<phire> --> offtopic
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