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<chadmed>
chris: you can get around the dracut errors by adding --no-hostonly to the dracut parameters in genstrap.sh
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<chadmed>
but wifi doesnt work from the livecd using fedora's kernel for some reason
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<chadmed>
leio and i are working on a better solution long term but i need to upstream some more stuff from the overlay first
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<milky>
I apologize for my late response, after making sure that I had the right versions of rust and rustup that make rustavaiable was asking for, I was able to compile the kernel and hardware acceleration is working again
<milky>
thanks for everyones help
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<milky>
how do i go about upgrading the firmware if I haven't updated mac os to somona?
<nicolas17>
there's two parts to it
<milky>
is it safe to update now as long as ProMotion is turned on?
<nicolas17>
some firmware is system-wide, and I *think* that gets updated to the latest even on a minor update (so if you get the latest security update of eg. Ventura, you'll get the latest Sonoma firmware anyway)
<nicolas17>
some firmware is per OS, so it's in the Asahi-specific volume, and updating macOS won't do anything to it
<nicolas17>
in fact the asahi installer doesn't even get the latest firmware there, but the specific firmware version it has been tested with
<milky>
so should i run the asahi installer again?
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<nicolas17>
the asahi installer gets macOS 13.5's firmware
<nicolas17>
there is no reason to use 14 and it would take extra work to make the kernel compatible with it, so it doesn't use 14
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<milky>
what would the process look like if I am still in firmware 12.3?
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<milky>
based on what I was able to understand in the documentation, I would need to recreate the ESP partition, is there some other way?
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<arahael>
I've recently had to get my m1 repaired and now I'm wondering for when I get the laptop back... What if I just put asahi on this thing? So with that in mind, do we have a status page for how well supported it is? (I have the original m1 macbook)
<arahael>
LarstiQ: That's what I was after, thanks! Looks pretty decent.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: was it a manufacturing defect or some mechanical mistake of yours?
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<LarstiQ>
arahael: np. I'm using an M1 Pro myself and pretty happy
<arahael>
PaulFertser: A key on the keyboard broke, so I've got a flat rate repair going on right now. Stupid expensive, but that's Apple, I'm not sure I would have gone ahead with it if I didn't also upgrade the RAM and SSD when I originally bought it, so it's still a very good system.
<arahael>
LarstiQ: I have that for my work system, M1 Pro is very nice. Definitely not putting Asahi on that one though.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: it has replaceable SSD and RAM?
<arahael>
PaulFertser: No. When I originally bought it (in 2020), I opted for 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD. Which is still valuable.
<arahael>
PaulFertser: But yes, it's replaceable in the sense that I can give it a new keyboard.
<arahael>
:(
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<LarstiQ>
arahael: it's my main work machine :)
<PaulFertser>
arahael: I see, thank you. Good luck with your new old device, I hope you'll enjoy Asahi.
<arahael>
The M1's my personal laptop, I do whatever I like with it - the M1 Pro is the work system.
<arahael>
PaulFertser: Yeah, I'm seriously considering it. I miss running linux. I still need MacOS, but the dualboot situation is pretty decent isn't it?
<arahael>
(I can't run macOS in a VM, can I?)
<PaulFertser>
arahael: especially if you stick to Fedora KDE which is what the devs most care about and it gets all the fixes properly integrated first.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: dualboot situation is standard, you're not supposed to fully remove macOS when installing Asahi.
<arahael>
That's good to know - I've never really run KDE. (Nor Gnome, for that matter. I like Enlightment and the other WM's)
<PaulFertser>
arahael: you can have many DEs installed at the same time and choose in your DM or however you prefer.
<arahael>
PaulFertser: I notice that 256 GB is a pretty typical size for macbooks even today (which surprises me), so I think 256 GB for macos and the rest of the 1TB HDD for Asahi could be very nice.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: were you using Enlightment on hi-dpi systems?
<arahael>
It would be my first time using Fedora, actulaly. I haven't used that since Redhat 4.
<arahael>
PaulFertser: No, hi-dpi wasn't a thing!
<arahael>
Speaking of hi-dpi, what's retina mode like in Asahi?
<PaulFertser>
arahael: you can use other distros too, but Fedora is a reasonable mainline distro and Asahi devs directly contribute to packaging so why not.
<arahael>
Yeah, I think if I go with asahi, I might as well go Fedora. Not my favourite system but there's not much reason to make things harder for oneself!
<arahael>
(My favourite distros are Alpine, and Debian).
<arahael>
I could always debootstrap debian into a chroot or something if I was that crazy. :)
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<PaulFertser>
arahael: same as on other GNU/Linux systems. I've read people like using "fractional scaling" because many UIs are not "vector enough", and that is reasonably good with Qt-based apps on Wayland. Running X11 clients in XWayland might be blurry if you're trying to scale them though.
<arahael>
I absolutely hate blurriness. :(
<PaulFertser>
Then do not scale.
<arahael>
What are GTK apps like?
<LarstiQ>
arahael: "not much reason to make things harder for oneself", hah. I switched from Debian amd64 to NixOS Asahi
<arahael>
LarstiQ: Ouch! I ran NixOS for a while about two years ago. Very very nice system. But man, the friction in getting anything done was unbearable.
<arahael>
I still like the idea of NixOS but I don't want to use it as a primary system anymore.
<LarstiQ>
arahael: most things work fine, but then some I have 3! reasons something might not be entirely... smooth
<LarstiQ>
like running linux/amd64 docker images
<arahael>
LarstiQ: Yeah, and when it's friday evening and you just want a drink and a movie but instead you need to figure out how to install an app or tweak a setting... And you have to figure out how to get it through all the nix layers.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: I'm sure you can have "emacs-gtk" with toolbar disabled and nice fonts of any size you want without any blurriness.
<arahael>
LarstiQ: It's particularly awkward if you're a polyglot dev, used to interacting in a bunch of different langauges. In nix, every language has it's OWN way of doing things.
<arahael>
PaulFertser: Ah, no, I mean, what is GTK itself like. There's a bunch of gtk apps I like to use.
<arahael>
bbl - dinner.
<PaulFertser>
arahael: GTK runs on Wayland so you can have your fonts crisp. The icons and other UI elements would depend on the particular app.
<PaulFertser>
Some people are happy enough with 200 % scaling.
<arahael>
That sounds reasonable.
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<leio>
PaulFertser: I was under the impression that fractional scaling on Xwayland is not blurry on KDE?
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<PaulFertser>
leio: I do not think that's possible, Xwayland works the same no matter what DE and toolkit is used.
<leio>
there was this whole stink about not suggesting GNOME for Asahi because Xwayland fractional scaling is blurry there but not in KDE.
<PaulFertser>
I have impression that's a very distorted overview of that discussion.
<PaulFertser>
But I can be wrong, every time I ask the others about scaling I get confused.
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<PaulFertser>
janneg: looks like it's not per app but for all Xwayland windows, so same as force zero scaling global setting in Hyprland.
<PaulFertser>
And again, it's basically scaling disabled, not "XWayland fractional scaling" working nicely in KDE.
<janneg>
it is not disabled scaling for applications supporting high DPI on X11. the only applications I remember to be not scaled are java ones
<leio>
those are the only ones I run with Xwayland :)
<PaulFertser>
Scaling is so wrong anyway. Just use appropriate fonts...
<j`ey>
HUGE text with tiny little icons :P
<psykose>
that doesn't work well at all because the ui sizing is still original
<psykose>
so you have worlds smallest like left panel with a big font in it and it wraps instantly
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<PaulFertser>
psykose: so probably the panel of that particular application should be made flexible or dpi-aware?
<psykose>
that is just scaling with extra steps where applications randomly choose an internal scale
<janneg>
making the application dpi-aware is leaving the "scaling" to the application
<PaulFertser>
But you do want that flexibility inside every app. Compare old dialog windows with all fixed pixel sizes with modern "layouts" where window elements are scaled automatically based on the app logic and your own preferences and size and shape of displays etc.
<PaulFertser>
Same as how proper semantic markup lets web pages be displayed according to your needs and not just have a fixed "design" like a paper booklet.
<janneg>
I don't get the point. you can write applications that way but that has nothing to do with the high DPI scaling of legacy apps
<PaulFertser>
You can fix legacy apps to behave.
<PaulFertser>
Make them not need external scaling.
<janneg>
sure, good luck with the biinary patching
<j`ey>
binary patch them to use wayland :P
<PaulFertser>
What legacy apps are you talking about anyway. Like Xfig?
<leio>
for me it's JetBrains stuff, which are looking good in 200% "scale" in GNOME, but fuzzy with 275%
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<milky>
how would i go about recreating the ESP in order to update the firmware to 13.5 (for HDMI)?
<milky>
deleting the macOS stub and ESP and then chrooting into the system from mac os?
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<cy8aer>
milky: rescue "/boot/efi/EFI", remove the ESP and the macOS stub. Then start the installer and install the EFI stuff, recover the EFI partition, boot