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<arahael>
I got my laptop back! Hopefully this time will have time to put asahi on it. Deciding not to wipe and reinstall the whole system though, but it does have previously had nix installed at one point and I have used more than half the 1TB of storage already, so need to delete a bunch of crap first. But any gotchas I should check for before I allocate half the storage to Asahi?
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<nicolas17>
arahael: you mean nix as a package manager on macOS?
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<arahael>
nicolas17: Yeah.
<arahael>
nicolas17: Which involves things like a partition and some tricks, but I forget the specifics that got applied at the time.
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<bebop>
the installer does all of this
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<arahael>
bebop: Oh very nice. So it's just magic then
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<snek>
what's the current kernel version for asahi? i'm on 6.5 with no updates available but the audio announcement from a few months ago says you need 6.6. is it still not released?
<bebop>
6.6.3-423.asahi.fc39.aarch64+16k
<snek>
i have `6.5.0-asahi-15-1-edge-ARCH` and no updates available
<bebop>
snek: you running asahi?
<snek>
yeah
<snek>
i installed it quite a long time ago though
<snek>
i just pulled out the laptop today cuz i read about speaker support working
<bebop>
asahi remix is now based on Fedora, specifically fedora 39
<bebop>
lots of improvements from what you're using
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<Nefsen402>
Looks like my shadertoy worked because there was some basic naive spiller, but the shader stats for the braun-hack spiller speak for themselves
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<arahael>
Can I resize my partitions again after installing asahi? Ie, to make the macos partition even smaller and the asahi one even larger?
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<arahael>
Looks like I can, though I might need to delete asahi and reinstall in the process. That's good enough for me.
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<arahael>
Well, here goes.
<arahael>
Asahi will have between 300 and 400 GB. Should be sufficient.
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<arahael>
How does the full hard drive encryption work with asahi?
<arahael>
Damn. Asahi linux with Fedora running KDE Plasma is beautiful on macos.
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<arahael>
Ok, damn. This is very nice.
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<arahael>
Have to get used to not having touchID I guess :P
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<leio>
arahael: there is no full hard drive encryption with asahi as of yet afaik; there are some ways to make more things encrypted with alternative install methods.
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<arahael>
leio: Ah, and I'm guessing that those encryption options have an overhead.
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<arahael>
I'm basically blown away at how well asahi seems to be running. Amazing job.
<arahael>
Trivial to install too. Very few laptops do that as well.
<leio>
that's the drawback in a way - the installer essentially just copies over a disk image, so it can't be encrypted with a key that'd be only known to you
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<eiln>
bebop: probably airpods/headset connected
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<vmk>
emacs(gtk, wayland) has significant display issues. some can be reliably triggered when using org-mode or various helm commands. known thing?
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<bebop>
will KDE Plasma 6 be available on the 28th of February, or will it be later?
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<leio>
In Fedora it will be available with Fedora 40
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<kidplayer666>
hey there fellas. I used to use slp's microvm to try to run steam and just try out running games on asahi, however, i haven't used it in a while and now it throws out the following error
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<cefis>
does any usb keyboard work for the m2 mac mini in uboot?
<cefis>
my usb-a one is not recognised when plugged directly, and i'm unable to stop the boot flow
<cefis>
my goal is to set up encryption with cryptsetup reencrypt from an external usb media
<tpw_rules>
not always
<tpw_rules>
more complicated ones tend to be less reliable
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<cefis>
any models that have been tried and work?
<tpw_rules>
idk, my apple ones are generally okay
<tpw_rules>
if it's a fancy gaming one see if it has a BIOS mode
<tpw_rules>
i am also not sure what the usb port situation is on m2 mac mini, on some machines not all work in u-boot
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<cefis>
has anyone had a keyboard working specifically on m2 mini at the uboot stage?
<tpw_rules>
i have on m1 mini
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<arahael>
leio: normally in macos the storage is always encruypted (just potentially with a null key by default), but you can change that encryption key later.
<arahael>
i am extremely impressed with how it's all been done though, marcan has done some incredible work.
<arahael>
oh good stuff. so maybe in a while it'll be default.
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<leio>
I remember reading some technical details on it; but all I can re-find right now is that some of the encryption is per APFS containers, but linux isn't in an APFS container beyond the 2.5GB one
<arahael>
i'm quite impressed with how fast fedora feels too on m1 hardware. it's crazy.
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<leio>
yeah, I got my M2 to be much faster than my zen2 while completely silent; the single core performance feels comparable to zen2/zen3, plus then many extra cores here compared to before
<leio>
at least with asahi linux the networking can be fast too ;)
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<arahael>
oh yeah, i was annoyed with how long it takes for macos to connect to wifi. and i was shocked when asahi did it instantly, and with dodgy drivers at that.
<arahael>
(i understand that the specific wifi chipset has long had driver issues in linux)
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<leio>
I was referring to wired throughput or so, but I guess that's good too then :) (I don't use the wifi)
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<arahael>
i need to check out the wired as well actually.
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<leio>
does it have a wired?
<arahael>
it does not, but i do have an adapter.
<arahael>
my one irritation so far is that a few third party apps i use that support linux only support x86 lonux
<arahael>
*linux
<leio>
hopefully some of these steam efforts will help with that too, unless fex/box64 support them already - I'm a bit confused what the 16k pages break exactly there.
<leio>
(slack and skype for me in the browser)
<leio>
(but those are mostly fine that way, they are some electron monstrosities otherwise anyhow)
<arahael>
yeah. discord and telegram and skype for me. but i need to check video chat supoort there.
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<leio>
armcord worked for me, but I don't do more than text
<leio>
(not saying it doesn't support voice/video - I just didn't check nor try)
<arahael>
fair. video chats are a big part of my communication - my langauge has no written form.
<j`ey>
wut
<arahael>
j`ey: what?
<j`ey>
what language?
<arahael>
Auslan.
<j`ey>
ooh makes sense
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<arahael>
i also forgot how little space linux takes. the entire asahi setup seems to be just under 20gb.
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<arahael>
could i have a terminal recommendation? my absolute favourite terminal is iTerm2, so that is a very high bar.
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<j`ey>
konsole looks good on kde?
<arahael>
yeah, it does, indon't like the tabs much though, but maybe i should see if i can customise them.
<bebop>
you can literally make it look how you want
<arahael>
also i've already swapped caps and ctrl, but how can i swap system and command as well?
<bebop>
I'm sure that's one of the reasons they chose plasma
<nicolas17>
arahael: hardware-backed disk encryption like macOS is going to take a while :P but yeah you can use LUKS etc like on any other Linux system
<arahael>
bebop: thag screenshot looks cool.
<j`ey>
bebop: waht a logo/image
<nicolas17>
also I see now why you have no need for audio :D
<arahael>
nicolas17: i'm fine with a "while", i agree with the priority :) and yeah i did realise i could make /home and /tmp encrypted if i really needed it.
<arahael>
nicolas17: as for audio... ;)
<bebop>
j`ey: what do you mean logo/image ?
<j`ey>
bebop: that blue dude
<arahael>
this is my first wayland system, btw.
<bebop>
oh! lol, that's iceking from adventure time
<arahael>
j`ey: good modern terminals can display images, btw. :)
<j`ey>
arahael: i dont know if i want it :p
<bebop>
you can use tons of backends with it
<bebop>
I'm using --iterm2 backend for the picture inside konsole
<j`ey>
I think foot terminal has sixel support
<arahael>
bebop: oooh?
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<nicolas17>
arahael: in my ignorance I wonder: is there any "accessibility feature" you need from a computer?
<nicolas17>
(apart from video subtitles)
<nicolas17>
I feel like it's much technically-harder to support the needs of blind people
<bebop>
j`ey: konsole can use about any, catimg, chafa, jp2a, iterm2, off, sixel, tycat, w3m, kitty, viu etc
<arahael>
nicolas17: generally good subtitles and good video, but also actually good notifications. macos and ios do them well but the windows notificarions are bloody awful.
<bebop>
arahael: KDE handles notifications wonderfully
<nicolas17>
does windows rely too much on audio or?
<arahael>
good to hear!
<bebop>
I'm sure that's why they chose KDE Plasma
<arahael>
nicolas17: i guess it probably does, they also appear (on windows) for only a fraction of a second, which is just as well because they get in the way of the application and you can't always see what they were. i usually miss them.
<nicolas17>
I haven't booted the Windows 10 partition on this laptop in like 3 years and by now I'm afraid to try
<nicolas17>
it will probably spend 8 hours installing updates
<bebop>
arahael: you can set time limits for notifications and how long they stay on your screen, plus you can go back and look at them
<nicolas17>
bebop: on Windows?
<bebop>
oh no, on kde
<arahael>
bebop: yeah the windows notificarions stink. i think they assume an audio component.
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<nicolas17>
while we're praising KDE, here's a great program that you probably can't use but others can use for your benefit :D https://subtitlecomposer.kde.org/
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<bebop>
looks liek they hace a aarch64 package
<bebop>
I can install it real quick and give you an answer
<arahael>
nicolas17: When I need I get my videos subtitled professionally. Costs about $2/minute.
<nicolas17>
I once had the audio go out of sync with the waveform on the right, I asked on matrix about it and it was a bug and it was fixed the next day... imagine that in proprietary software
<bebop>
plus you can build it from source on git
<arahael>
Is there anything I can do to ensure long battery life?
<arahael>
(Eg, is it possible to turn off the high performance cores entirely?)
<nicolas17>
I think you can make specific processes run only on e-cores via cpuset, but there isn't a global switch
<chadmed>
of continuous use?
<j`ey>
arahael: at boot time you can.. but using the E cores doesnt always save power
<arahael>
j`ey: The real question is "how to achieve long battery life", the e-cores was just one naive example approach.
<nicolas17>
yeah there's cases where a p-core finishing the task 3 times faster so the CPU can go idle sooner saves more power than using the e-cores
<j`ey>
arahael: sure, just replying to that bit directly!
<arahael>
:)
<chadmed>
the 15" m2 air im using now gets about 12-15 hours of 1080p youtube at 10% brightness so i think youll find the battery life fine
<arahael>
chadmed: Ah, very nice, then.
<j`ey>
arahael: sleep isnt really sleep, it's idle, so uses more power than macos currently
<arahael>
j`ey: Ooh, good to know. I have a habit of simply closing the laptop.
<nicolas17>
there's room for improvement in battery life, but I don't think there's much you can do *as a user*, beyond the obvious "use low brightness" etc
<chadmed>
s2idle is fine i dont get why people chuck a wobbly over that specifically
<j`ey>
do some casual reverse engineering
<chadmed>
i close the lid on this thing and the s2idle battery life is over 24 hours
<bebop>
chadmed: this macbook air M1 easily does that
<chadmed>
acpi power state realism...
<arahael>
Mine's a macbook pro, the 13" one.
<bebop>
battery life on this asahi install is great
<chadmed>
yeah youll be fine then
<chadmed>
the only machines with sus battery life are the pro/max/ultra soc ones
<arahael>
Ah, interesting. I have the macbook pro, but it's the m1, not the m1 pro.
<chadmed>
yeah the 13" macbook pro is unaffected
<chadmed>
its just the 14" and 16" ones
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<arahael>
Interesting.
<arahael>
Man, Fedora has come a long, long way since the old redhat 5 days.
<arahael>
I'm an old school debian guy, so this is... An interesting exploration.
<nicolas17>
I last charged my MBP 13" >48h ago, I used it a bit on macOS since then but mostly it had the lid closed, and the battery is at 85%
<arahael>
nicolas17: Excellent
<nicolas17>
Linux s2idle is not as bad as some people think, but you can definitely do better :P
<nicolas17>
arahael: that was while on macOS, I don't think Linux s2idle would last that long
<arahael>
Ah, fair.
<arahael>
Hmm, I need to learn how to start services on fedora, just installed syncthing and noticed it doesn't start automatically. (Which is good, actually). But I'll look up the fedora docs I guess when I'm back from lunch.
<j`ey>
arahael: probably systemd/systemctl related
<nicolas17>
it's better than it was in early asahi days (when closing the lid didn't do anything)
<arahael>
j`ey: I expect so.
<nicolas17>
and "s2idle battery life is over 24 hours" is definitely good
<arahael>
I haven't rebooted since installing asahi, I should do that at some point, too.
<nicolas17>
and usable in the real world
<arahael>
nicolas17: I travel a lot.
<nicolas17>
but let's not kid ourselves that it's comparable to what macOS can do with real sleep :P
<arahael>
nicolas17: MacOS struggles a bit actually, with my routine, but it's not so bad, and.
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<arahael>
(But to be honest, most of htat is the rediculously heavy setup enterprise software dev requires)
<arahael>
This is just my personal system, so requirements are different.