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<darkbasic4>
Can someone please confirm if rusticl does work with nouveau on mesa 23.1? I'm trying to finalize the Gentoo ebuild but I can't remember if it's currently limited to Intel+radeonsi
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<karolherbst>
there are still discussions on dri-devel?
<daniels>
one or two (thousand) posts about colour management
<karolherbst>
sounds more like bikeshedding than discussions :P
<daniels>
no, it’s just really really hard tbf
<karolherbst>
ahh
<daniels>
and there’s no clear objectively ‘good’ answer, it’s all tradeoffs as well as some guesswork around future hardware etc
<karolherbst>
pq: +1 though
<kode54>
showing how important VM_BIND is to DG2
<kode54>
Ryujinx runs unplayably slow on i915, but works just fine on Xe
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<pq>
karolherbst, is that +1 like "I do that too" or "pq should keep doing that" or "pq is harmful to discussions"? :-)
<karolherbst>
nah, to your last comment. out of tree drivers don't exist in terms of discussion what goes into the kernel :P
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<karolherbst>
no idea why people still try to make exceptions
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<pq>
ah, cool.
<pq>
except drm_fourcc pixel formats? ;-)
<karolherbst>
huh? it's used in open source
<karolherbst>
maybe there are some formats we don't use yet?
<karolherbst>
But the nvidia stuff is more or less used if you do tegra + nouveau stuff on tegra chips afaik
<pq>
they are not required to the used in the kernel, but are they required to have FOSS code somewhere still?
<pq>
*be used
<kode54>
I saw what I needed from the changelog
<karolherbst>
good question, it's not really uapi in the sense of uapi...
<kode54>
I needed BuildStream 1.6.8
<karolherbst>
but I think they are all valid to be used with nouveau
<karolherbst>
but that fourcc stuff is also highly dynamic
<karolherbst>
anyway.. it's actually required for tegra chips even in userspace, otherwise... uhh.. things break
<karolherbst>
so yeah
<pq>
karolherbst, I don't think it's so much different in concept from the COLOROP element definitions. There could be an out-of-tree driver that makes use of a drm_fourcc while no upstream does.
<karolherbst>
it kinda depends on the stack tho
<karolherbst>
but yeah, a specific value might be only used on a prop driver, due to exposed formats or whatever
<karolherbst>
but it is all supported in upstream userspace
<karolherbst>
in the end it kinda means how strongly defined the meaning of bits in data is. Drivers can always use undefined bits for random things and a specific undefined value can so as well
<karolherbst>
but once we do define those and non open source userspace breaks, what then?
<karolherbst>
is it a regression? is it none?
<karolherbst>
does the "we don't break userspace" also covers closed source userspace?
<karolherbst>
and if so, do we really want undefined things to happen?
<karolherbst>
so the only choice we have is to reject undefined bits/values and require open source implementors/users
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<kode54>
lovely, BuildStream 1.6.8 isn't compatible with Python 3.11
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<kode54>
good, now it's rapidly building htings
<kode54>
all I needed was to install python 3.10 and set up a venv for it
<sima>
karolherbst, drm_fourcc is slightly different because upstream serves as the official registry for some khr extensions
<alyssa>
Can I count you down for reviewing the rest of the atomics series too? ;-)
<alyssa>
This was MR 1, "add the new intrinsics and port a bunch of drivers to them"
<alyssa>
next few MRs are the straggler drivers that didn't make it into that MR, honestly that one is already bigger than I wanted
<alyssa>
once all the backends are converted .. there's the rest of the tree
<alyssa>
TBD whether I can tell a nice story for that one or it ends up being a big ol' flag day
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<jenatali>
alyssa: Sure, I'm happy to review what I can
<alyssa>
:-D
<alyssa>
thank you
<jenatali>
It's a good / much-needed change. Our backend is going to get much simpler
<alyssa>
Literally every backend I looked at except for Midgard is simplified
<alyssa>
and once all the backends are converted, core is going to shed a LOT of code :3
<alyssa>
jenatali: and do ping me if you ever need NIR review
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<jenatali>
Yeah. I don't know how long you want to let that sit waiting for more reviewers. Probably at least want acks from the backend maintainers (that aren't already you)
<alyssa>
> that aren't already you
<alyssa>
...Lol
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<alyssa>
Alyssa: I am stepping down from Panfrost. My new job is not working on Apple GPUs.
<alyssa>
Also Alyssa: Writes patches for all 3 compilers on her first day.
<alyssa>
---
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<alyssa>
robclark: anholt_: dschuermann: airlied: italove: bbrezillon: The atomic rework MR contains a significant patch to your backend that you haven't yet reviewed. Jesse has reviewed it so I am comfortable landing but giving you a heads-up in case you would like to review yourself as well before merge https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/22914
<alyssa>
Cheers :)
<alyssa>
(Apologies for the freedreno/ir3 and radv/aco labels getting lost, I added those commits after the MR was labelled)
<alyssa>
absent further review I'll probably merge tomorrow
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<karolherbst>
I wonder if I should test on nouveau before that
<karolherbst>
guess I'll do some testing once I'm done with testing subgroups
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<kj>
How come there's no p_atomic_dec() in u_atomic.h . I feel like there's proabaly a reason that I'm not aware of
<kj>
I meant p_atomic_sub()
<karolherbst>
sub == add
<jenatali>
Is there a good reason to have one? Would it do anything other than add a negative value?
<kj>
Fair enough. I though there would have been a difference in using `__atomic_sub_fetch()` than the add with a negative value
<HdkR>
Where's my atomic two's complement negate? :)
<karolherbst>
HdkR: cursed
<HdkR>
karolherbst: Tell that to x86 :P
<karolherbst>
I'm sure doing atomic mul isn't that trivial, but maybe it is? dunno
<karolherbst>
but yeah, negate would be more simple
<HdkR>
Everyone loves sticking weird ops in their memory pipelines I guess
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<robclark>
just need that atomic strlen instruction
<mareko>
atomic_sub should give you negation
<mareko>
actually no
<HdkR>
Wrong way around sadly
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<HdkR>
If anyone actually wants to use atomic negate, I would give that code a very strong eyeballing
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<karolherbst>
gfxstrand: do you think you'll have some time to discussion global mem initializers? I've looked at how we potentially could support it, but it looks like pain to implement atm. So there is already some code inside nir to handle this, but I'm convinced it's all wrong. We can't do the lowering while in nir or rather.. we can only do it as long as we still have all functions, so it's entirely incompatible with the per kernel approach we are
<karolherbst>
doing atm. vtn kinda has to set the layout of the global data buffer of a spirv + provide a buffer with the init data. The frontend takes that buffer and preinitializers memory with it. The frontend lowers load_global_base_ptr. And nir simply translates access to that buffer to offsets according to the layout set by vtn (mostly the order of all variables, maybe we can still sneak some DCE in).
<karolherbst>
at least those are my initial thoughts on how to implement it
<karolherbst>
can discuss it tomorrow or next week or whenever fits for you
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<jenatali>
karolherbst: Can we pass in a "hidden" additional kernel arg (i.e. ubo var) for the base address of the persistent global mem?
<jenatali>
At least that's kind of how I expected it to look
<karolherbst>
yeah, but the frontend can just do it
<karolherbst>
when it sees load_global_base_ptr, it can add an internal argument for it
<jenatali>
Oh I see. Yeah alright
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<karolherbst>
I just don't really know how to deal with the initial data actually
<karolherbst>
the pain part is, that currently we don't translate one spirv to multiple nirs, but rather do it per entrypoint
<jenatali>
Right
<karolherbst>
not sure if that will get us all of the memory initializers even
<jenatali>
It won't if you DCE
<karolherbst>
I think this feature might even the point where we say "alright.. spirv_to_nir will one nir with all entrypoints and frontends have to dup it to compile against one"
<karolherbst>
*generate
<jenatali>
Yeah, you could already do that if you ask for the nir as a library though, can't you?
<karolherbst>
mhhhh
<karolherbst>
good question
<karolherbst>
I think there are some benefits in doing that anyway once we get rid of inlining even
<karolherbst>
like.. we could pre optimize the nir before an entry point gets picked
<karolherbst>
maybe I'll play around with that approach
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<karolherbst>
but yeah.. that would allow us to optimize the nir already, do some initial DCE and extract the global init data then before splitting the nir
<jenatali>
Yeah
<karolherbst>
could also DCE function arguments if we aren't doing it already
<karolherbst>
though I'd keep them for entry points, because they are pain to deal with, because API validation rules
<karolherbst>
not sure
<karolherbst>
but that's for later anyway
<karolherbst>
mhh.. create_library is used quite a bit, have to read through the code and see what might need adjustments
<jenatali>
I suspect it's mostly used for raytracing these days
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<karolherbst>
and the libclc library
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<karolherbst>
jenatali: uhh.. this starts to become a real headache project. We also have per kernel information stored in the shader_info struct, e.g. the workgroup size
<jenatali>
Yeah
<karolherbst>
maybe pytorch doesn't need it and I can ignore this problem for a while longer 🙃
<karolherbst>
but seems like that for general HIP support on top of CL we'll need it
<karolherbst>
maybe gfxstrand has a smart idea, but I suspect if we want to support it properly we really have to convert to a model where nir can handle multiple entry points
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<karolherbst>
even for initializers we'll need it, because... we have to decide on a global variable buffer layout anyway
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