#dri-devel on 2023-05-20 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:23 * jenatali doesn't understand lower_mem_access_bit_sizes

00:24 <jenatali> Oh well, that's a job for Monday I guess

00:27 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> zmike: yeah, I shouldn't close that quickly. Thanks for reopening

00:29 <zmike> DavidHeidelberg[m]: I just got home and checked and it seems like another LLVM problem

00:29 <zmike> so probably it'll never get fixed

00:29 <zmike> would recommend adding to flakes

00:29 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> zmike: yeah, the different LLVM makes a huge impact I guess

00:30 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> zmike: not enough interesting to get it workarounded? btw. few days ago it had same LLVM, so these are new issues.

00:30 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> and Debian 12 is in hard freeze, so I don't expect changes

00:31 <zmike> I'm not LLVM expert enough to fix it, which leaves very few others within the venn diagram region of "cares about ci" and "knowledgeable about llvmpipe internals"

00:32 <zmike> see also all the other llvmpipe tickets open

00:34 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> sure, I'll add it into flakes before the merge, if it won't get tackled :)

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00:57 <airlied> mlankhorst: please dequeue fixes next week

01:00 <airlied> also you don't have to wait until Friday, happy to get pulls any day you have time

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01:20 <DemiMarie> Should Mesa bundle its own LLVM?

01:20 <DemiMarie> And tell distros that if they use any other LLVM, they are on their own for support?

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09:53 <MrCooper> karolherbst: colour me skeptical that tiling between layers of a 3D image makes a significant difference for performance

09:55 <MrCooper> DemiMarie: the likely effect of that would be distros taking more time for updating to newer Mesa

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10:42 <ccr> I don't think that would fix ABI issues anyway, for example re: https://airlied.blogspot.com/2023/04/fedora-38-llvm-vs-team-fortress-2-tf2.html

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10:53 <karolherbst> MrCooper: well.. Nvidia rather detiles on demand by using a shadow buffer than not using tiling at all

10:53 <karolherbst> *z-tiling

10:54 <karolherbst> it's all about access patterns and for 3D the access patterns are supposed to be 3 dimensional

10:54 <karolherbst> if it wouldn't make any significant difference, why do we bother with tiling at all?

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18:58 <karolherbst> jenatali: any opinion on flushing whole queues or only flushing requested event items (and their dependencies, including implicit ones like for in order queues)?

18:59 <jenatali> karolherbst: I just flush whole queues

19:00 <karolherbst> yeah.. I'm wondering if I want to do the same, because it makes the implenentation way simpler

19:03 <karolherbst> jenatali: though I think in the case of ordered queues the expectation is, that runtimes will reorder depending on what the application is waiting on

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19:04 <karolherbst> but I don't even know if it matters at all

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20:38 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> looking for review: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/22813 reviews welcome, it's kidnda INT_MAX + float fun

20:39 <DavidHeidelberg[m]> magic is to do right +1 / -1 :D

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