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<daniels>
the pipeline went green seconds after Marge gave up
<Venemo>
sigh...
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<daniels>
I know, sorry
<daniels>
being actively worked on
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<phryk>
are there *really* no damn libdrm docs?
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<airlied>
phryk: some man pages, but it's not really a library that we expect people to use
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<phryk>
airlied: Mhh, yeah I seem to be in a somewhat unique position. I want to build a *system* compositor. As I understand it, the most basic dependencies I need for that would be libdrm for rendering and evdev or something for input.
<phryk>
honestly, chatgpt helped me more to figure some of this out than anything i found on the web in the last decade. i don't think i would ever have heard about kms planes otherwise… :F
<airlied>
libdrm won't get you much rendering
<airlied>
libdrm can do display setup
<phryk>
airlied: yeah, i mean the plumbing around it. primitive rendering i would probably do with cairo.
<airlied>
that seems suboptimal for a system compositor
<phryk>
how so?
<airlied>
just doing cpu rendering?
<phryk>
huh? cairo has support for hardware acceleration.
<airlied>
not really
<airlied>
and most of it has been ripped out afaik
<airlied>
I don't htink any new project has used cairo in a few years
<airlied>
the GL/GLES backends were ripped out
<phryk>
oh, okay. that sucks. was hoping to get backend-independent hw accel so i can use opengl and vulkan…
<phryk>
okay, then i guess i'll just ignore anything regarding vulkan for now. opengl should be good enough for some 2D rendering with alpha blending…
<airlied>
wlroots is probably a better place to start (not that I'm a total fan of it)
<phryk>
wlroots seems pretty specific to session compositors, tho.
<airlied>
I think you would be quicker forking it into a system one than trying to start from scratch
<phryk>
of that i am highly skeptical. i frequently get told that, but whenever i actually try it, it's way more painful and takes way longer than just doing things from scratch. :F
<daniels>
phryk: system compositors also basically got replaced by things like logind, DRM leases, etc
<phryk>
daniels: i have no idea what those are, but what i want is a fancy TTY, including during boot.
<airlied>
yeah we had a discussion at plumbers last year around doing a system console compositor
<airlied>
also ripping the guts out of weston might be another idea
<phryk>
a long, long time ago i wrote a "graphical" system monitor that rendered directly into a uvesafb framebuffer. this is a concept that with kms+hardware accel becomes way more viable and i havent been able to forget about it^^
<airlied>
it's one of those, doing the basics is simple, making it work properly takes ages
<phryk>
daniels: thanks for the example. i hope it works better than kmscube, which didn't work at all for me^^
<phryk>
daniels: ooh, does this already use kms planes?
<phryk>
(kms.c seems to imply so)
<daniels>
only one plane - using multiple is a lot harder than you think, at least if you want it to work portably
<phryk>
daniels: just to assure, i didn't just get ai hallucinations from chatgpt: kms planes are what i want to avoid having a gpu->cpu->gpu roundtrip for every frame, right? and multiple planes would be what i want to have double buffering with this technique?
<daniels>
phryk: those are some serious hallucinations I’m afraid
<phryk>
well, damn. :'D
<phryk>
okay, then i guess i'll try and find the time to pick apart your kmsquads and if i manage to get barebones rendering without a DE, i'm gonna come back here and ask about how to render *and* display from vmem without cpu roundtrip and how to do double buffering. ^^
<phryk>
thanks for the info thus far. :3
<daniels>
np, but yeah, it really is a lot more work than you think it is tbh …
<phryk>
it might be, but my main problem is that i could never find the documentation to actually explain what i need to do… now i at least got a little thing to grasp onto^^
<dartmitai>
hello everyone, tell me what actions need to be performed so that the package is visible in the system? Debian 12
<dartmitai>
I did meson setup build/ ninja -C build/
<phryk>
dartmitai: not that i know anything, but i think it would help if you said what package you mean, and what you mean by visible in the system.
<phryk>
if this is about some library, i have no idea about ninja/meson, but with make you would usually have to also "make install" to have the .so and .h files installed in locations where the compiler finds them.
<phryk>
beware that this will clutter your system with files your package manager doesn't know about tho.
<dartmitai>
I build Hyprland and it only sees the package that was installed via apt
<dartmitai>
Message: Required for the DRM backend. Dependency libliftoff found: NO found 0.3.0 but need: '>=0.4.0'Message: Required for the DRM backend. Dependency libliftoff found: NO found 0.3.0 but need: '>=0.4.0'
<phryk>
oh, then doing something akin to "make install" is probably a bad idea. best case it's not found, worst case it overwrites the files from the apt package. is uninstalling the apt package an option?
<phryk>
if the .h files from the apt package are in /usr/include but the ones from your custom build are in /usr/local/include you will have to pass some extra linker flags for include dir and such to the compiler (or set them in an env var). don't ask me about the specifics tho, no matter how often i stumble over it, i always forget what the damn things are called.^^
<dartmitai>
I uninstall libliftoff with apt
<dartmitai>
Message: Required for the DRM backend. Dependency libliftoff found: NO found 0.3.0 but need: '>=0.4.0'
<phryk>
That's weird. If the 0.3.0 is the one from apt then you should get a different message after uninstalling it…
<dartmitai>
Message: Required for the DRM backend. Run-time dependency libliftoff found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
<phryk>
well, that's progress. :P
<phryk>
and you built and installed a newer version of libliftoff manually? can you verify *where* it got installed to and if it came with any .pc files?
<dartmitai>
I don't understand much about this, but maybe you need to install it somehow after the build or move it somewhere, the system doesn't see the assembled version 0.4.1
<phryk>
as i said i'm not familiar with ninja and meson, but you could try if "meson install" or "ninja install" do anything.^^
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<phryk>
word of warning: entering firmly bad advice area here. i'm mostly out of guesses by now. :P
<dartmitai>
ok this is done needed sudo ninja -C build/ install
<dartmitai>
thank you very big
<phryk>
happy i could help. glad it didn't blow up your system. :P
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<phryk>
Ah yes, linux dependencies. Can't run that.^^
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<phryk>
Well, I can read which displays are connected. Such progress, many wow.
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<phryk>
can somebody explain _drmModeRes->fbs? i assume "something something framebuffers", but count_fbs is 0 for me and i'm not at all sure what that means…
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<pq>
phryk, there is also #dri-devel channel here, which is very much on topic of how to drive KMS. And Mesa too.
<pq>
phryk, btw. most of the KMS documentation you need is actually in the kernel.
<pq>
phryk, unfortunately the kernel docs are fairly bad at making a difference between kernel-internal interfaces and userspace interfaces.
<pq>
I thought I was subscribed to xorg and xorg-devel lists, too, but no email for a long time. xorg-devel password reminder does not seem to work.
<pq>
oh well
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<olspookishmagus>
would anyone be available to offer some insight on how to debug my setup NOT "autostarting" some applications whether it's the case that application has a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart or another application that has a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart?
<elibrokeit>
olspookishmagus: that's not really about freedesktop website DevOps, so probably asking on the xdg list is better. but the first thing that springs to mind is "maybe that .desktop file has been marked to not start on your current DE".
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<olspookishmagus>
elibrokeit: oh, so this channel's scope is freedesktop's DevOps? please pardon me for making noise then
<elibrokeit>
olspookishmagus: it's apparently a semi-frequent confusion, particularly given that xdg doesn't have an IRC channel that I'm aware of
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<olspookishmagus>
nevermind, I created a ~/.xprofile and I'll save myself some time trying to get to the bottom of this
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<ximion>
hi there! Does anyone know who is administering the freedesktop GitLab instance?
<ximion>
I got a message that my account was deactivated, which makes no sense as I used it just a few weeks ago on a bug report - and now I apparently can't log in and also can't reset my password either
<bentiss>
ximion: let me look into that
<bentiss>
ximion: is this your gitlab username too?
<bentiss>
ximion: also when did you receive that email?
<ximion>
bentiss: my GitLab username is mak
<ximion>
one second
<ximion>
I got that mail on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:21:11 -0800 (PST)
<bentiss>
ximion: OK, your account has been reactivated
<ximion>
thank you for looking into it! It was a fairly weird message, with no details on why that happened - it said I can reset the deactivation by logging in again, but GitLab doesn#t seem to let me log in
<ximion>
nice, thank you!
<bentiss>
yeah, I think those deactivation was not a good idea in the end
<bentiss>
it seems that what counts as an "activity" is the last time the user logged in, which is your case was on Nov 29, 2022, and this was past the threshold
<bentiss>
and the fact that you can no longer log back in in also worrying
<bentiss>
ximion: do you mind telling me if it works again now?
<ximion>
bentiss: ah! I kept the account as "remember me" on my computer and didn't log in again since that date, since I was always logged in. Odd that that didn't count!
<ximion>
bentiss: everything is fine now, I could login without any issue :-)
<bentiss>
ximion: OK, great, thanks for the confirmation
<ximion>
accounts are deactivated after 3 months without login? that seems like a really short time!
<ximion>
especially since people may just push Git commits and not necessarily log into the web UI all the time
<ximion>
(unless submitting code counts, which it probably does...)
<ximion>
anyway, thank you for the quick help!
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<bentiss>
ximion: we quickly set the deactivation period to 1 year, but, meanwhile a bunch of accounts were deactivated
<bentiss>
I might have to walk through all of these accounts and re-activate those who connected in the past year
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<olspookishmagus>
bentiss: can't you script this?
<ximion>
bentiss: it would have been fine if I would have still been able to log in to get rid of the deactivation... If that issue could be solved, I think people would be happy as well
<bentiss>
olspookishmagus: it's a matter of logging to the gitlab console and typing the proper commands
<bentiss>
but I'm not sure it is sane to do it now (probably not enough brain anymore for the day)
<bentiss>
ximion: yeah, I have strictly no idea why you could not log back in
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<ximion>
bentiss: there is a small chance that I wasn't actually using the right password (after trying a bunch I wasn't sure myself anymore and tried the password reset, which didn't work because the account was disabled)
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<bentiss>
ximion: heh, the fact that it's not broken would actually be a good news :)
<ximion>
if that it was happened, then it would still rely on all users remembering their passwords :-P
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<bentiss>
ximion: the idea behind this "let deactivate the accounts" is that we have spam bots who register just to have a public profile with some random URL / crap. And IIRC deactivating an account make them disappear. The problem still is that you can not retrieve your password while deactivated... :(
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<ximion>
bentiss: my account was still visible from the web when I was disabled...
<ximion>
(I actually first thought I might have been hacked, so checked that to see if someone had messed with things that prompted the deactivation)
<bentiss>
ximion: ok then it's really useless :/
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<airlied>
is reporting spammer accounts useful? or do you find them anyawys?
<airlied>
mesa is getting smashed right now
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* airlied
is changing mesa issues to project members only until the wave passes
<airlied>
the spammers must have access to bentiss alarm clock :-P
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<mupuf>
airlied: reports make removing users easy
<mupuf>
done, thnaks!
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<DragoonAethis>
bentiss: Hey, demarchi (Lucas) was browsing through some older XDC infra slides and found a link to Git cache archives on minio-packet.fd.o - that domain looks dead. Is it gone or just moved elsewhere?
<DragoonAethis>
(I think I saw some curses being thrown around in minio's general direction, but it was a while ago...)
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