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<mangix> Tusker: no
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<Tusker> mangix: it also seems like the old 02_network script doesn't even execute anymore either...
<Tusker> or it could be just me
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<Tusker> hmmm... is it just me, or is pkgconf 1.8.0 failing to build because of meson errors in latest trunk ?
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<Tusker> https://pastebin.com/0nnjEKQx is what I am seeing...
<Tusker> deleted staging_dir and build_dir but still the same
<dhewg> that looks fishy
<dhewg> which ldconfig; file `which ldconfig`
<dhewg> hm no, include/prereq-build.mk installs a stub
<dhewg> there should be an empty executable staging_dir/host/bin/ldconfig
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<Tusker> dhewg: correct, there is
<dhewg> and that isn't exactly new, no idea why that doesn't work for you anymore: git show e2864e99
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<Tusker> yeah, it's weird, don't know what happened...
<Tusker> it was building fine from a commit on master a few days ago, and just pulled master again and it is failing
<dhewg> ./staging_dir/host/bin/ldconfig -v; echo $?
<dhewg> thats '0' for me
<Tusker> same
<Tusker> i edited that file, added #!/bin/sh\necho $*
<Tusker> and now it works
<dhewg> maybe python does something funny, but it works here, v3.9 too
<dhewg> you could try to change include/prereq-build.mk so ldconfig is a symlink to /bin/true instead
<Tusker> yeah, that should work too
<dhewg> that may be acceptable if it works
<Tusker> let me try
<Tusker> seems good to me, building the toolchain, so at least the tools/* compiled fine
<Tusker> s/toolchain/toolchain now/
<mangix> I have never seen that error
<Tusker> should I submit a PR for https://termbin.com/6lm3g ?
<Tusker> mangix: yeah, this is the first time I've seen it too... I wonder if there was a system package update that decided to be more fussy with executables
<Tusker> glibc updated to 2.31-13+deb11u2 updated this month, which may be related
<Tusker> (October, last month...)
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<Tusker> seems a normal python error - https://stackoverflow.com/a/27608363 - but somehow wasn't triggered on my system until now
<dhewg> Tusker: "$(LN)" or doesn't that work in that early file?
<Tusker> yeah, probably would, let me try that too
<Tusker> yup, $(LN) works
<dhewg> ($LN) is already including "-sf" ;)
<Tusker> ok ok
<Tusker> :)
<Tusker> yeah, that still works
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<stintel> noltari: have a Pi Zero 2 yet?
<noltari> stintel: nope
<stintel> noltari: I have one, let me post what I have so far
<noltari> and I don’t think I’m gonna buy one
<stintel> noltari: gotcha
<stintel> noltari: https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/stintel.git;a=commitdiff;h=be86cf2404e7d54b33f9458643ce2423db8d335a
<stintel> I used 950-9900 to indicate it's from the rpi kernel but not added as part of all the others
<stintel> would that be acceptable ?
<stintel> compile-tested with bcm2710 - have to find my mini HDMI cable to runtime test
<noltari> stintel: LGTM
<stintel> noltari: cool, I'll push after runtime testing both 32 and 64 bit
<stintel> noltari: can I add acked-by ?
<noltari> I can always remove that patch when I rebase the full set of RPi patches
<noltari> stintel: sure :)
<stintel> perfect - I'll make not of the 950-99xx reasoning in the commit message too
<stintel> thanks!
<Habbie> what's the story with cryptodev failing in CI?
<stintel> Habbie: this was discussed last week in here, check your logs ;)
<Habbie> (why is it even being built on a packages PR?)
<Habbie> ok will do
<stintel> warm greetings from Sofia BTW ;)
<stintel> I'm in shorts and tshirt, and I'm too hot, might need to reprogram the AC target temperatures for winter :P
<Habbie> haha
<stintel> 24C is a tad bit hot if outside is only 14
<Habbie> hah yes
<stintel> ok the air quality is acceptable, I can just open a window
<stintel> in winter that's impossible
<stintel> oh wait, the esp crashed, the values are stale
<Habbie> reboot HA
<Habbie> before you debug your ESP
<stintel> no, esp :)
<stintel> the ESP dropped of the network
<Habbie> ah
<Habbie> all my temperature readings broke yesterday morning, even those not involving an ESP, because HA apparently can't deal with DST changing
<stintel> oh
<Habbie> rebooting HA helped except one ESP is still missing
<stintel> man HA could really be much better
<stintel> yet it's probably the best there is
<stintel> you might actually be right, esphome dashboard shows the esp online
<Habbie> ah, cryptodev problem is only on x86_64?
<stintel> Habbie: have not seen it in other arches except maybe arc
<Habbie> awesome
<Habbie> i care about neither of those ;)
<stintel> :P
<stintel> I'll bring you my APU2's when I retire them 😂
<Habbie> hahaha
<stintel> ah no my current packages pr failed on powerpc_464fp
<stintel> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'package/openvswitch/download'. Stop.
<stintel> and this doesn't even seem cryptodev related
<Habbie> i also don't care about powerpc but please stop growing the list of broken arches ;)
<stintel> can we make cryptodev non-fatal failure ?
<Habbie> i read, in the logs, that all kernel modules are broken, i think
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<stintel> Habbie: thanks for the HA hint - docker restart home-assistant did fix something
<Habbie> cool
<Habbie> hmm, luci says it's going to apply: uci add_list dhcp.cfg01411c.server='9.9.9.9'
<Habbie> but uci says it's just called dnsmasq.server
<Habbie> it applied it in the right place
<stintel> man dnsmasq /--server
<stintel> cfg01411c is just a reference to an unnamed section
<Habbie> oh, i know, it's the "cfg01411c" bit that confuses me - even if i know /var/etc/dnsmasq.conf.cfg01411c exists
<stintel> gotcha, wrote that reply before reading your later msgs
<stintel> argh, an entire day without energy stats
<stintel> fscking HA
<Habbie> i always thought 01411c was something random but it appears to be identical between devices
<stintel> Unnamed sections will get an autogenerated ID/CFGID (like “cfg073777”) and be presented with an anonymous-name (like “@switch[0]”)
<stintel> autogenerated != random :D
<stintel> I guess we'd have to read the code
<Habbie> ack
<Habbie> Mon Nov 1 12:09:44 UTC 2021 upgrade: Device linksys,wrt3200acm not supported by this image
<Habbie> Mon Nov 1 12:09:44 UTC 2021 upgrade: Supported devices: armada-385-linksys-rango linksys,rango
<Habbie> lol
<Habbie> i also noticed that the firmware-selector uses different names for the wrt3200acm in 19.07 vs. 21.02
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<stintel> probably renamed inside git
<Habbie> --force time
<Habbie> stintel, ack :)
<stintel> you could also edit /tmp/sysinfo/something
<stintel> iirc
<stintel> but --force is probably easier
<Habbie> ah yes, so that i can still see if other checks fail
<Habbie> too late now ;)
<stintel> exactly, maybe it's 1.0 vs 1.1 (dsa vs swconfig)
<stintel> and in that case you'd lose access to the device
<stintel> what I usually do is in that case is rm /etc/config/network and sysupgrade --force
<Habbie> right
<Habbie> well, if it fails, i can reach the reset button from here
<stintel> in that case it's not so bad
<Habbie> the power light stopped blinking
<Habbie> so, as they say, the lights are on but nobody is home :D
<stintel> it's running HA :D
<Habbie> hahaha
<Habbie> reset worked
<stintel> btw, esphome can now do esp32 without using the arduino framework
<Habbie> ah, cool, i knew they were working on that
<stintel> let me find the doc page as it's not that easy to find
<stintel> actually scratch that, it is :P
<stintel> I'm using that for the ESP32C3 and did a test flash of one of 2 non risc-v esp32s I still have
<stintel> seems to work, but no mqtt support
<stintel> not really using that anyway
<stintel> there are some bugs with it though
<stintel> reported 2 last week, should do another one I hit while testing non risc-v
<stintel> ok bcm2710 image is booting on the Pi Zero 2
<stintel> might need some work for wifi though
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<stintel> noltari: why do we have https://github.com/openwrt/cypress-nvram ? can we not get from linux-firmware.git directly ?
<stintel> hmm that cypress community link is also not working anymore
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<stintel> sigh, infineon download site behind sso wall
<stintel> asswipes
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<stintel> bah, and the latest version doesn't even contain the firmware for the Zero 2
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<tmn505> stintel: they publish firmwares on github, but don't know if the one You need is there https://github.com/Infineon/ifx-linux-firmware
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<stintel> tmn505: interesting, thanks
<stintel> it appears I need 43436
<stintel> nice rabbit hole
<tmn505> so probably, for now, extract the firmware from raspbian or whatever it's called
<stintel> I'm really looking forward to replace my Zero W "security cam" with this
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<stintel> 15:48:00 up 31 days, 19:07, load average: 1.24, 1.34, 1.39
<stintel> the CPU is at 100% always :D
<tmn505> early adopters curse
<stintel> ;)
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<Habbie> stintel, my CI is happy outside of x86_64, today ;)
<stintel> :P
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<tmn505> stintel: I don't know how official that is, but here it is: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/firmware-nonfree/commit/bda9207acee945633464e89614f3717b856579b5
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<stintel> tmn505: awesome, thanks for that link
<stintel> that's for cypress-nvram repo
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<mangix> stintel: all kmods fail with CI, not just cryptodev
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<stintel> awesome :/
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<nbd> qosify is in openwrt master now
<nbd> in order to build it, you need to enable host llvm toolchain (and have that installed), or let the build system build it
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<Tapper> qosify sounds cool.
<Tapper> Will this have a luci app?
<Tapper> or will it work with luci-app-sqm?
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<nbd> no idea about luci
<nbd> it shouldn't require much configuration aside from enabling the interface and putting in your bandwidth
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<dangole> Hauke: you are the hero of the month (or even year?). john, stintel and me were stairing at what I already thought would be stack corruption for hours and hours and now you spotted it.
<dangole> Hauke: and as usual, once you see it, it's very obvious and of course needs to be 64-bit offset on Elf64...
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<hauke> dangole: I think gcc can warn about such problems
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<xdarklight> nbd: should qosify (and/or bpf-headers) be hidden behind CONFIG_DEVEL because CONFIG_BPF_TOOLCHAIN also depends on CONFIG_DEVEL ? on a Linux host I can select quosify with CONFIG_DEVEL=n which results in a build failure
<dangole> hauke: i added a note to the commit message of the 2nd commit which is 100% revert of 33b799b ("ujail: elf: work around GCC bug on MIPS64"), stating that. i'd test-run on ARMv7 and Aarch64, then push. ok?
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<hauke> dangole: ok
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<nbd> xdarklight: i'll look into it. that would be a bug then
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<xdarklight> nbd: thanks. I am using Arch Linux and I don't have clang installed there. I am aware that CONFIG_BPF_TOOLCHAIN_BUILD_LLVM exists, but I was curious as to why the build fails using standard settings
<hauke> dangole: jow was siggesting to use off_t or size_t instead of long
<hauke> *suggesting
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<nbd> xdarklight: fixed now
<xdarklight> nbd: confirmed - thank you!
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<Tapper> Where is qosify in make menuconfig?
<hauke> when I activate -Wconversion in libubox I get a lot of warnings
<hauke> we are strong milli seconds in int and sizes in int
<hauke> would it be accaptable to fix this even with ABI chanegs?
<jow> in master yes
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<Tapper> nbd is qosify in make menuconfig?
<Tapper> nbd I did a search and no hits
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<nbd> Tapper: you need to select "advanced configuration options" and change the setting under "BPF Toolchain"
<nbd> depending on whether you have llvm+clang installed on your host
<nbd> if you don't, you'd need the build system to build it
<nbd> but it will take a lot of time
<Tapper> nbd OK
<Tapper> Thanks
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<Tapper> nbd so after that qosify will show up in make menuconfig?
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<nbd> Tapper: yes
<mangix> ldir: github PR for ldconfig issue uses /bin/true
<nbd> Tapper: i also pushed a fix just now that puts it in the right submenu in make menuconfig
<mangix> so qosify is an SQM replacement I take it?
<ldir> mangix: unfortunately that didn't permit libluajit to compile
<mangix> ldir: since you're on a mac, does glib2 compile?
<nbd> mangix: replacement for sqm-scripts, yes
<Tapper> nbd OK build failed but did git pull and starting again.
<ldir> mangix: apols - am on-air at the mo, no real time for openwrt
<mangix> OK
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<Tapper> nbd build fail log.
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<mangix> Tapper: that looks like a RAM problem
<Tapper> mangix O Shit. It's not overclocked or anything like that.
<Tapper> I am using windows 11 WSL
<Tapper> Ubuntu
<Tapper> The same thing hapends 3 times in a row.
<mangix> Tapper: wsl or wsl2?
<Tapper> WSL2
<mangix> that's a VMM
<mangix> *VM
<mangix> not enough RAM is assigned to it
<mangix> one way to work around this is to add PKG_BUILD_PARALLEL:=0 to the Makefile
<Tapper> I have 16 GB installed and it never gets over 13 GB.
<Tapper> I have used to build OpenWrt a 1000 times
<mangix> doesn't matter. LLVM is quite heavy.
<Habbie> when i make package/dnsdist/compile, i end up building openssl, host-boost, and 30 other things
<Habbie> i presume there's no big tarball i can get somewhere that has most of those things built already?
<Habbie> for a given target
<nick[m]1234> has someone a quick link to a github repro to build a target?
<nick[m]1234> sorry I mean github workflow, I looked at aparcars one but they build everything and uploads it to some aws repro
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<jow> ldir: any reason to not pick https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/ldir.git;a=commitdiff;h=4781d38a6e6e145f5d9bbcda0853d31057c0eb80;hp=2a4555aac96544efbae4823eb9584b2460662961 ?
<ldir> jow: not that I can think of - lack of confidence on my part - don't what to break the firewall for everyone
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<Tapper> mangix can I use llvm in ubuntu insted of building it?
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<jow> ldir: understood. It looks fine to me
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<mangix> Tapper: haha no
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<mangix> Habbie: ccache is your friend
<Tapper> Yes you can I have it working
<Habbie> ack, i love ccache for my other builds, openwrt probably needs a nudge to also use it
<Tapper> You have to add /usr/bin/llvm- as the path in make menuconfig
<Habbie> oh, just CONFIG_CCACHE?
<Habbie> no, not that simple
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<Tapper> nbd Mon Nov 1 21:42:13 2021 daemon.info procd: Instance qosify::instance1 s in a crash loop 6 crashes, 0 seconds since last crash
<Tapper> nbd how I get you more logs - info?
<Tapper> nbd my config files:
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<Grommish_> stintel: ping
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<xdarklight> hauke: which mediatek device do you have that uses NAND flash? I'll try making the upstream NAND driver work on MT7621 in the next days. I don't have any of the already supported SoCs (for example MT7622) to cross check that I didn't break anything
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<Tusker> ooh... just got the GPL source code from WatchGuard
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<stintel> Grommish: pong
<stintel> Tusker: o_O
<stintel> that reminds me I should still file my request
<Tusker> xtm330 and t30-w bundles
<Tusker> xtm330 I still can't get the switch to function properly, so I am pretty interested in the contents
<Grommish> stintel: I found a memleak issue under Octeon and 5.10, as well. I left a comment on the PR. I'm not sure what to do now though
<stintel> Grommish: link ?
<Grommish> It appears to be a swapper/0 and softirq that's popping up
<stintel> I arrived back home yesterday, no travel plans for the first 6 weeks, so I should be able t o work on some things
<stintel> number 1 on my list is getting qoriq in master
<Grommish> If I can help, let me know. I've got a dev device for octeon/Octeon3 and source build.. I just don't know how to debug/trace things like this
<Grommish> but at least it wasn't Adblock :D
<stintel> I have some cn6xxx cards
<Grommish> cn7020
<stintel> the ERLs are no longer with me
<stintel> but the cn6xxx should allow me to try and reproduce
<Grommish> *nod*. The target still uses octeon+, so it should be fine
<Grommish> If I can help out, hit me up.. I've got time and some knowledge :D
<stintel> as for next step, you could try reporting the kmemleak findings upstream
<Grommish> Upstream as in.. To where? I've done some opensource stuff before, but only here and Android
<stintel> when I see kmem_cache_* ... I know shit is over my head
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<Grommish> You did better than me.. I stopped and bailed at unreferenced object :
<Grommish> :D
<stintel> find cvm_oct_mem_fill in kernel.git, run scripts/find-maintainer.pl path/to/source/containing/that/function
<stintel> and mail those addresses
<Grommish> Ok
<stintel> cc me, too
<Grommish> stintel: DM me an email?
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<stintel> Grommish: the script is scripts/get_maintainer.pkl
<stintel> without the k
<stintel> so in the kernel clone: ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl drivers/staging/octeon/
<stintel> wait, I assumed the ethernet driver
<stintel> ok, cvm_oct_mem_fill_fpa is defined there, so that's correct
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<Grommish> Yeah, I sent the listed maintainer an email an CC'd you onn it
<stintel> excellent
<Grommish> If it's the ethernet driver, it makes sense
<Grommish> Adblock and dnsmasq would cause huge churn with it
<Grommish> Which is where I was seeing it
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