#openwrt-devel on 2022-08-10 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-04-23 15:03 nbd changed the topic of #openwrt-devel to: Forum: https://forum.openwrt.org/ | Wiki: http://openwrt.org/ | Release: https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/21.02.3/ | Notes: https://openwrt.org/releases/21.02/notes-21.02.3 | Logs: https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/openwrt-devel

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00:05 <hurricos> I have "deauthenticated due to inactivity"s despite having skip_inactivity_poll 1

00:06 <hurricos> Oh!

00:06 <hurricos> It must be phy specific, or a bug

00:08 <hurricos> https://paste.c-net.org/MulanMaybe

00:08 <hurricos> Does the behavior of skip_inactivity_poll in this hostapd.conf make sense to anyone else?

00:13 <\x> hurricos: i have fixed the request timeout bug thing

00:13 <\x> https://pastebin.com/raw/nzS2C99y

00:13 <hurricos> yes and no. The conf has two separate entries, one says skip_inactivity_poll 1 and the other skip_inactivity_poll 0

00:14 <\x> if (!iface->conf->noscan) { <scan procedure }

00:14 <hurricos> I'm not sure hostapd is meant to parse this correctly

00:14 <\x> this is whats missing

00:14 <hurricos> this doesn't have to do with scanning

00:14 <hurricos> it has to do with disassociating clients or not based on an activity poll

00:14 <\x> oh i was talking about the thing last night

00:14 <hurricos> :P

00:14 <\x> where this happens

00:14 <\x> https://imgur.com/a/Ip9Nntx

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00:37 <\x> hi can "CONFIG_DRIVER_11AX_SUPPORT=y" be set when iwlwifi + firmware ax200/201 is chosen? I see this as issue because everytime i build i have to enable mt7921e so this becomes y

00:40 <hurricos> I have this awful bug where upon reboot, sysntpd does not get the right date.

00:40 <hurricos> Or rather, it tries to pull for a date before networking is up

00:42 <hurricos> I might as well distribute ntp via dhcp and call it a day

00:42 <hurricos> looks like https://openwrt-devel.openwrt.narkive.com/qCtBnfnx/patch-use-ntp-server-received-via-dhcp was probably accepted

00:43 <\x> this is some unseen problem

00:43 <\x> CONFIG_DRIVER_11AX_SUPPORT is not set with iwlwifi + ax200

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07:16 <f00b4r0> nbd: so my plan wrt mt7530/DSA is to check what happens with our current 5.15. If it works there, I'll try to find out what's necessary to make it work in 5.10. If it doesn't work, well... :P

07:18 <mangix> f00b4r0: what fixes are these?

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07:20 <f00b4r0> Mangix: http://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2022-August/039191.html

07:21 <f00b4r0> brb

07:22 <mangix> f00b4r0: hmm? wasn

07:22 <mangix> 't that reverted for 5.15 too?

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07:54 <\x> hi Mangix

07:54 <\x> have you seen

07:55 <\x> https://i.imgur.com/8fWdyux.png https://tildearrow.org/?p=post&month=7&year=2022&item=lar

07:55 <\x> https://pastebin.com/raw/nzS2C99y

07:56 <\x> hope it helps ;)

07:56 <\x> also make sure CONFIG_DRIVER_11AX_SUPPORT=y

07:56 <\x> easy way to make this happen for now is just install any kmod that needs 11ax support e.g. kmod-mt7921e

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08:15 <f00b4r0> Mangix: it's upstream. If we start reverting upstream changes we've got a long term problem :P

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08:24 <mangix> f00b4r0: i doubt upstream kernels are tested with mt7621 :)

08:27 <f00b4r0> Mangix: regardless, these patches are upstream and I just confirmed we don't revert them locally

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10:38 <pepes> I agree with f00b4r0 , it should be reverted in upstream kernel if it causes any issues and not in OpenWrt even if they test it with mt7621.

10:45 <f00b4r0> the bug does not seem to occur in 5.15

10:45 <f00b4r0> at least i cannot reproduce it the way I did in 5.10.

10:45 <f00b4r0> so there's hope

10:45 <f00b4r0> i'll dig deeper

10:54 <aparcar[m]> Is there a turris irc Channel?

11:03 <aiyion_> aparcar[m]: on oftc, libera, as well as freenode iirc

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11:13 <pepes> We abandoned Freenode's channel, thus you can find the channel in oftc and libera as aiyion_ said, but it is not a primary channel or way how to reach any guys working for Turris

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13:56 <f00b4r0> so I've brought our 5.10 mt7530 driver on par with the 5.15 version, except for kernel API differences of course. Let's see if I can still trigger the throughput problem

13:57 <f00b4r0> (it's a bit bruteforce, but if it works... :)

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14:10 <f00b4r0> well I can

14:10 <f00b4r0> fsck

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14:32 <KGB-1> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_mediatek.html has been updated. (100.0% images and 99.9% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)

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17:37 <janvenekamp> Hello, I am new here. I am developing something that uses libuci and I stumbled upon a bug in it.

17:37 <janvenekamp> Then I took a look at the uci source code, now I have some patches and questions that I would like to discuss.

17:38 <janvenekamp> Who/where/how should I go about this?

17:40 <zorun> for patches, https://openwrt.org/submitting-patches with a prefix, and for discussion, the normal openwrt-devel mailing list

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18:12 <KGB-1> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_kirkwood.html has been updated. (100.0% images and 99.9% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)

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18:59 <aparcar[m]> ynezz: have you looked at lava hardware testing from linaro? I see you're using labgrid but I'm wondering what was your reasoning there

19:01 <hauke> aparcar[m]: is lava used for more than boot testing?

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19:05 <aparcar[m]> yea it can run all kinds of things

19:05 <aparcar[m]> and seemingly with different access levels

19:06 <aparcar[m]> I kind of want to build an distributed test env where we cover a lot of devices by having little island at different places

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19:11 <owrt-2203-builds> Build [#107](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/openwrt-22.03/images/#builders/63/builds/107) of `at91/sama7` failed.

19:12 <ynezz> aparcar[m]: avocado, boardfarm, lava, kernel-ci, kvm-unit-tests, samsung-muxpi, syzkalller

19:13 <ynezz> that's what I've looked at in 2019 and then lynxis recommended labgrid and I liked it, because it was dead simple

19:15 <ynezz> BTW lynxis has lava setup and was using it for runtime testing

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21:33 <robimarko> rsalvaterra: ping

21:39 <danieli> robimarko: good timing - I was just about to ask about the policies for backporting, turns out QRTR + MHI isn't too terrible to backport when taking inspiration from TIP. have you done any work on that?

21:40 <danieli> also came across PR 5032 on github which highlights some potential issues that go a bit deeper

21:42 <robimarko> danieli: backport to which kernel?

21:42 <danieli> robimarko: 4.4 so it will have to be refactored or cherry-picked over again

21:42 <robimarko> I mean OpenWrt kernel, 4.4 is QCA-s SDK kernel

21:43 <robimarko> MHI is backported as part of the backports for wireless

21:43 <robimarko> But as you saw in that PR, I really tried to explain why that is a bad idea

21:43 <robimarko> Cause its gonna conflict with everything in OpenWrt

21:43 <robimarko> QRTR is even worse

21:44 <robimarko> As for MHI its kind of isolated of dependencies

21:44 <robimarko> But for AHB it pulls in RPMSG and plenty more

21:44 <danieli> yeah, gathered as much, they have backported and changed *a lot* - my understanding is that the code under TIP is a variant of QSDK

21:44 <robimarko> Yeah, TIP is using the QSDK

21:44 <robimarko> 11.4 I believe as of now

21:45 <danieli> dug around *a lot* at CLO but it's way more messy and active over there

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22:04 <takimata> sorry for maybe being a bit rude, but can I draw attention to an issue some of us are having with SSH on 22.03-rc?

22:05 <takimata> at first I thought I was an edge case somehow, but more and more people are finding it on the forum

22:05 <takimata> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/ssh-over-wifi-stops-working-on-rt3200-e8450-with-22-03-0-rc6/133911/29

22:06 <takimata> SSH stops working if done through wifi, and in the case I'm observing _right here and now_ it is enough if the connection just passed through a wifi, even if it's not on the device itself.

22:07 <jow> mt76...

22:08 <jow> best report here: https://github.com/openwrt/mt76

22:09 <takimata> jow: in my case, the wifi AP and the device on which SSH stops working are _two different devices_.

22:10 <takimata> is it conceivable that the packets get altered when passing through wifi, in such a way that dropbear throttles and eventually times out the connection?

22:11 <jow> maybe some packet aggregation/reordering stuff going on

22:13 <jow> that other reported device, DIR-2660, is also mt76

22:13 <jow> I assume you tested already that disabling flow offloading does not solve the problem?

22:14 <takimata> jow: on the 22.03 device where SSH stalls? mine is not even _running_ firewall, the single port is on LAN.

22:14 <takimata> (and on the AP flow offloading is disabled, yes.)

22:15 <jow> I'm too tired to puzzle together the details

22:15 <jow> linked thread seems to talk about ssh to openwrt? you talk about ssh through openwrt?

22:15 <jow> op talked about reboots

22:15 <KGB-1> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_x86.html has been updated. (100.0% images and 99.9% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)

22:16 <takimata> OP (richb) said reboots help restore SSH for a brief moment.

22:16 <jow> so its ssh from lan to internet, via openwrt?

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22:17 <jow> how can a reboot of openwrt fix them? wouldn't it reset all connections?

22:17 <takimata> no, it's all lan-internal, ssh to openwrt.

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22:17 <jow> would be great if someone could summarize the issue in a way that it can be understood with a 45-60s attention span

22:18 <takimata> right, sorry. we have been trying to reproduce the issue and got carried away with testing different scenarios.

22:18 <jow> rich writes: "My current test is to ssh into the router and run htop."

22:19 <jow> rebooting the router would terminate the session

22:19 <jow> I know that this isn't the point rich was trying to made but it's hard to figure out what's actually meant

22:19 <jow> s/made/make/

22:20 <danieli> connect via ethernet from one device, stream pcaps into wireshark and tail logs, then connect another via ssh to reproduce a freeze?

22:20 <jow> I assume it is about ssh sessions vian an intermediate openwrt wireless device involving mt76 (and/or an ethernet (dsa?) bridge handover)

22:21 <takimata> yeah, sorry. it's quite simple actually: SSH from any client on the LAN to the openwrt 22.03-rc device work fine unless the client device is on a wifi.

22:21 <takimata> in rich's case the wifi is on the device itself, in my case it's on an AP in the same network.

22:22 <jow> so a wifi client cannot ssh to the openwrt system itself but ssh to internet ssh servers is fine?

22:22 <takimata> good question, my affected device is not the edge router, so my ssh connections are not going _through_ the device. will have to ask rich.

22:23 <jow> what is your topology?

22:24 <takimata> edge router (openwrt 21.02, x86), connected to both an AP (openwrt 21.02, mt76) and the device in question (openwrt 22.03-rc6, apm821xx)

22:24 <jow> and ssh from which to which?

22:25 <takimata> random windows/linux(debian)/android on the wifi network to the 22.03 device.

22:25 <jow> what's the network path?

22:26 <jow> client -- ethernet -- x86 -- ethernet -- apm821xx ?

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22:26 <takimata> no, that works (that's the "control group" so to say)

22:27 <takimata> client --(wifi)--> mt76-AP --(ethernet)--> x86 --(ethernet)--> apm821xx

22:28 <jow> so mt76 again

22:28 <jow> people claim that restarting the lan interface works

22:28 <takimata> sec

22:28 <jow> that would mean tearing down the bridge and recreating it

22:28 <jow> which in turn might flush the fdb

22:29 <takimata> nope, does nothing (LuCI still works on the apm821xx, restarted through LuCI)

22:29 <takimata> or should I restart the AP's LAN?

22:30 <jow> the APs

22:30 <takimata> sec

22:31 <jow> potentially same issue: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/issue-introduced-in-22-03-0-rc4-still-there-in-rc5-an-rc6/133770

22:32 <jow> potential report for same issue: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/9945

22:32 <takimata> bingo. restarted LAN on the AP, SSH to the apm821xx goes through again

22:32 <jow> potential fix: https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/commit/eecbb49920732b9b364f15c1ef0066342544b22b

22:32 <jow> (allegedly not yet backported)

22:33 <takimata> good catch!

22:34 <jow> f00b4r0: probably knowns some more background regarding this bug

22:35 <takimata> I'm not a dev, so I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it, but this causes packets going through the MT76 AP to somehow get "tainted"?

22:36 <jow> I'd say "mangled", but yes

22:37 <jow> the driver gets confused about the frametypes being forwarded, which in turn causes the radio firmware to send/aggregate it in a wrong way which causes it to break

22:37 <takimata> and somehow dropbear on 22.03 is sensitive to that.

22:37 <jow> either due t oa bad checksum / truncation / byte swaps whatever

22:37 <jow> that's my understanding

22:40 <takimata> hmm. so I'm speaking entirely out of place of course, but should this be earmarked to be fixed before 22.03-release? given how many wifi devices are running mt76.

22:40 <jow> definitely

22:40 <jow> hauke: ^

22:42 <jow> takimata: you are able to build custom images?

22:42 <takimata> I am ... currently not set up to, no. sorry.

22:42 <jow> https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/commit/77e123340f0b5490905e27ddc92f0dff8ed017a5

22:42 <jow> should be enough to test one commit before and one after

22:44 <takimata> hrm ... I will have to leave that to someone else I'm afraid, that AP is vital to my infrastructure atm, can't tear it down for testing. :(

22:44 <jow> maybe you can share this IRC findings in the forum thread though

22:45 <takimata> absolutely, I'll write it up on a followup.

22:45 <takimata> thank you!

22:45 <jow> the issue does appear to center around the wifi / ethernet bridge

22:45 <jow> on the mt76 soc

22:45 * takimata nods.

22:45 <jow> and it /likely/ is related to some hardware offloading capability

22:46 <jow> and a potential fix is https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/commit/eecbb49920732b9b364f15c1ef0066342544b22b

22:47 <jow> ah wait, it is backported to 22.03 since june 21

22:47 <takimata> it's still curious that the only thing affected (as far as we know) is dropbear, and only in the version used on 22.03 or newer.

22:48 <takimata> hmm. that was before rc6 was tagged, right? so rc6 should already contain it.

22:48 <jow> it should be part of rc5, so likely not a fix

22:48 <takimata> dang.

22:49 <jow> takimata: tcpdump at destination

22:50 <jow> maybe it's something stupid like dropbear packets being too small (payload < 46 byte) and being padded / filled with random garbage when frames are hardware offloaded

22:51 <jow> (total speculation, just inventing a scenario where seemingly just a specific protocol is affected)

22:51 <takimata> I might be able to do that, zero experience with tcpdump but I can learn. ;)

22:52 <jow> are the ssh session freezing busy or idle?

22:54 <takimata> how can I tell (sorry if stupid)

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22:54 <jow> I mean are they doing stuff, like rsyncing files, continuously printing output

22:55 <takimata> nope, no output.

22:55 <jow> or do they just sit there, waiting for keyboard input and when you want to enter a command 30min later the session hangs

22:55 <takimata> well, in my case right now it doesn't even connect, ssh attempt times out.

22:55 <jow> ah I see

22:55 <dwfreed> htop would be nominally continuously printing output

22:55 <dwfreed> (default refresh interval is 1.5 seconds)

22:56 <jow> dwfreed: hm right, someone mentioned htop

22:56 <dwfreed> yeah, the forum post, the OP was using htop to test

22:56 <jow> takimata: in this case you should do tcpdump on the client and capture outbound ssh

22:56 <jow> takimata: and tcpdump on the target, capture inbound ssh

22:56 <takimata> I guess that was just to monitor the connection and see when it throttles, stalls and eventually fails.

22:57 <dwfreed> yeah, but would it do the same if there was nothing flowing during that time frame

22:57 <takimata> yes.

22:58 <jow> on the ssh client: tcpdump -n -i any host 1.2.3.4 and tcp port 22

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22:59 <hauke> I have a SSH conenction to my mt7622 + mt7615 device open for about 40 minutes

22:59 <jow> on the ssh server (apm821xx): tcpdump -n -i any host 4.5.6.7 tcp port 22

22:59 <jow> replace 1.2.3.4 with the apm821xx ip

22:59 <jow> replace 4.5.6.7 with the client ip

23:00 <jow> add -s 0 -w /tmp/capture.pcap to write the result into a file

23:00 <jow> scp the resulting files to your workstation and veiw with wireshark

23:01 <jow> once both tcpdump commands run, attempt to initiate an ssh connection

23:01 <jow> wait 2-3s, ctrl-c both tcpdumps

23:02 <takimata> I'll see what I can do.

23:03 <jow> my gut feeling is that it is related to the packet sizes

23:04 <takimata> oh, and the fun part is that it's intermittent, it starts working again after some 10 minutes or so, only to break again a few minutes later. :)

23:04 <jow> that's likely when the hardware assisted flow offload entry expires

23:04 <jow> (in case the flow offloading is to blame)

23:04 <takimata> let me see. my usual client machine is on windows and it's a royal PITA to get tcpdump set up, I'll probably fire up a linux vm to do it.

23:06 <takimata> hauke: btw, yes, I couldn't reproduce the issue on an MT7621 device (R6220 in my case).

23:12 <takimata> and wouldn't you know it, _now_ it doesn't break anymore. sigh. okay, I will get the captures once it breaks again.

23:17 <takimata> would it be okay to supply the captures to one of you (or make them available for download somewhere?) honestly I wouldn't know what I'm looking at.

23:20 <takimata> jow: oh, btw ... I am an idiot. my AP is running 21.02 ... so the fix has obviously not been backported to THAT.

23:22 <jow> takimata: you could mail them to me

23:23 <takimata> k

23:24 <takimata> I mean now that I'm looking at it intensly it doesn't do it anymore. of course it doesn't.

23:24 <jow> try to do a few captures while it is working, to get the hang of it

23:25 <jow> maybe prepare command aliases so that you can quickly start them if needed

23:25 <jow> and ensure that a capture on the apm821xx is not capturing the controlling ssh session

23:25 <jow> (the host filter should prevent that, unless you connect from the same client host to the apm821xx)

23:26 <takimata> that's easy, the controlling session has to come from a different machine. :)

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23:27 <takimata> I would say ... it's half past one, get some sleep. I'll probably continue tomorrow, too, for some reason it's not doing it anymore right now.

23:29 <takimata> for now, thanks for all your help. invaluable as always.

23:29 <jow> good night

23:29 <takimata> and to you!

23:37 <schmars[m]> i'd like to sponsor a downloads mirror, who should i approach to see in which region there's a need?

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