<russell--> anyone know how the procd debug levels are defined? i'm mostly looking for timing information for start up
<Ansuel> should be something in the wiki but it's pretty late here :(
<russell--> Ansuel: you are free to go ;-)
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<KGB-2> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_ath79.html has been updated. (98.7% images and 99.9% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)
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<robimarko> Ansuel: Well, I got a weird tar 1.35 issue
<robimarko> On macOS it compiles just fine after one backport
<robimarko> autom4te: error: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /home/robimarko/Building/openwrt-tar-update/staging_dir/host/bin/m4
<robimarko> But on Linux it will fail since automake cannot find m4:
<robimarko> cd .. && /usr/bin/env bash /home/robimarko/Building/openwrt-tar-update/build_dir/host/tar-1.35/build-aux/missing automake-1.16 --gnits src/Makefile
<robimarko> make[5]: Entering directory '/home/robimarko/Building/openwrt-tar-update/build_dir/host/tar-1.35/src'
<robimarko> automake-1.16: error: autoconf failed with exit status: 1
<robimarko> make[5]: *** [Makefile:1803: Makefile.in] Error 1
<robimarko> And indeed we dont check for m4 in prereq nor we add a symlink
<robimarko> Adding a symlink to m4 makes it compile
<Ansuel> but that would require additional prereq and stuff... that is the main problem tar is so early that ideally we shouldn't need any tool... also why they need automake and stuff... the release tar should have eveything already init
<Ansuel> did they changed that?
<robimarko> Beats me
<robimarko> It seems that they may have missed the build-aux
<robimarko> Cause others build without m4
<robimarko> Adding m4 as a dependency to tar makes it compile
<Ansuel> we still hope 1.36 reintroduce it... really seems 1.35 was rushed (maybe due to all the cve???)
<robimarko> Well, its going to be while till 1.36
<robimarko> Ansuel: Ok, its not the tar release that is faulty
<Ansuel> ?
<robimarko> Ansuel: Its the fact that for macOS we need this backport: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/tar.git/commit/?id=8632df398b2f548465ebe68b8f494c0d6f8d913d
<robimarko> And since it modifies Makefile.am then automake is required to regenerate the end Makefile
<Ansuel> ok yes i remember that and at times we end up with the conclusion that it was better to wait for a new release than having to regenerate the makefile
<Ansuel> and idea might be check what is missing in the generated makefile
<Ansuel> and patch that instead
<Ansuel> (patch is similar to my hack of fixing the gnulib library)
<robimarko> Oh, that might work
<Ansuel> robimarko if the changes are not that big, it might be a viable solution... can you by chance check that or maybe upload the generated makefile somewhere so i can take a look ?
<robimarko> Ansuel: Its not big, I am trying it out now
<robimarko> Yeah, patching Makefile.in works
<Ansuel> kb of the patch ?
<Ansuel> should be only a few lines
<robimarko> Its only 2 lines
<Ansuel> :D month of having the package not updated for this problem and they were just 2 lines
<robimarko> Yeah, and its quite literaly the commit after 1.35 was tagged
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<robimarko> Seems its gone
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<robimarko> Any reason why we are still on 1.29?
<slh> Ansuel: the pool is automatically pruned when no active distribution references that package version anymore (1.29 apparently was only in unstable and testing between oldstable and stable, so it's probably gone for around two years already)
<Ansuel> on debian testing it's on 1.23
<Ansuel> 1.33 *
<slh> (I'm using "rmadison fakeroot" on a running Debian system)
<Ansuel> should we try to update it ?
<robimarko> I am for it
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<Mangix> Ansuel: maybe we should port tar to meson and use that
<Mangix> to hell with autotools
<dwfreed> carrying patches that upstream won't accept is just asking for maintainer burnout
<Habbie> if you can fit them in meson wrapdb, that can be a nice middle ground, but seems a bit weird if it's not a subproject
<Mangix> Habbie: tar is an executable, not a library
<Habbie> i know
<dwfreed> yes, that's the point of the last third of his sentence
<Mangix> Anyway, I do this for at least one project in packages
<dwfreed> that doesn't mean it's sustainable for something in core
<Mangix> debian.org is down :(
<dwfreed> works here
<Mangix> I'm getting a 503
<Ansuel> Mangix problem is that then tar will require meson...
<Mangix> Is that a problem?
<jakllsch> ugh, meson.
<jakllsch> autotools at least works
<dwfreed> fsvo works
<Mangix> uhhh
<Mangix> we're discussing autotools problems. lol.
<jakllsch> meson just creates a bunch of new unsolved problems that autotools already covered
<Mangix> such as?
<jakllsch> such as supporting non-linux unix
<jakllsch> and trying to keep up with Python
<Mangix> BSDs? meson supports them
<jakllsch> poorly usually
<Mangix> supports them fine from what I see.
<Mangix> actually for OpenWrt that's irrelevant. It's not buildable on the BSDs.
<Ansuel> Mangix yes currently we have tar and zstd as the very first host tools that doesn't need to require to anything else... also why this autotools problem??? tar release doesn't make use of it as the makefile are already shipped prepared
<Mangix> they need to be reprepared to fix macOS?
<Mangix> anyway, meson only needs ninja, which has no dependencies
<jakllsch> Mangix: since when?
<Mangix> ?
<Ansuel> Mangix no? https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/15743 we just sorted out the problem...
<Mangix> oh cool. He managed to patch it without needing autoreconf
<schmars[m]> 39 additions, 743 deletions, sounds good
<Ansuel> --delete was broken :DD
<schmars[m]> :)
<schmars[m]> anyone have one of these "5 Port Waterproof POE Extender"? https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005005788308769.html - is it mediatek or realtek?
<schmars[m]> the vlan dip switch makes me think realtek
<Habbie> why does the dip switch make you think realtek?
<schmars[m]> many of the cheap alibaba realtek switches have this. it's actually got nothing todo with vlan, it just isolates the ports
<Habbie> ah
<Ansuel> they have a strap that enable port isolation
<Ansuel> it's really a simple registry that is turned on to use port vlan instead of making it a dumb switch
<schmars[m]> but it's not got anything to do with actual vlans right?
<Ansuel> they don't have a system they just relay on the default configuration the switch have on reset
<Habbie> i read one realtek switch pdf, so i know how easy they are to program, but i missed that strap
<Ansuel> schmars nope nothing about vlan just an internal way the switch apply
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