08:25 <emersion> keegans: libuv has a bunch of stuff we don't care about, like FS, TCP/UDP, threads, DNS, and even dlopen and synchronization primitives

08:25 <emersion> i must admit, i haven't found a good, small, Unix-focused event loop lib yet

08:27 <emersion> i'm almost tempted to extract libwayland's as a separate library, fix the stuff that needs fixing, and use it in wlroots

10:52 <unrelentingtech> going all in and exposing the ev_loop_t as part of the public API could be pretty fun, compositor authors could use all the extra functionality straight on the default event loop :D but even otherwise, extra unused functionality existing in a widely available shared library that you use shouldn't really be a problem?

10:52 <unrelentingtech> sometimes you gotta stop spending time on reinventing wheels in the endless pursuit of minimalism and settle for an extensively tested, packaged, ready-made solution

11:55 <FrostKiwi> Hey there :] I cannot compile my GLFW OpenGL C program with Wayland on FreeBSD. I installed glew-wayland, GLFW-wayland and included GL/glew.h and link against glew-wayland. Compiles just fine, but when I launch the program I get "Error 65544: Wayland: Focusing a window requires user interaction" with no Window being spawned and "Unknown error" from GLEW, after trying to init without a window. What am I doing wrong?

12:29 <emersion> unrelentingtech: my dependencies are my code. if there's a bug in libuv, i'll need to fix it

12:29 <emersion> so yeah, minimal scope is important for me

12:32 <emersion> and a big -1 to exposing ev_loop_t

12:32 <emersion> that effectively locks us with a particular library

12:33 <emersion> the "widely available" part doesn't matter a lot to me. packagers will just end up packaging whatever we depend on

13:08 <keegans> i agree, but to support more platforms we either maintain 2 event loops, or we have a library manage it for us. and to me, widely available is important to me. it means that someone else is more likely to encounter the same bug in libuv and thus someone else fixes it and you don't have to. it's the core of Node.js, and we're using restricted functionality so that personally makes me

13:08 <keegans> _more_ confident