#wayland on 2021-06-14 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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07:20 <MrCooper> swick: I'm not suggesting presentation-time can replace frame callback, quite the opposite

07:22 <MrCooper> Plagman emersion: it would help if you guys could provide specific examples of how the Mesa workaround hurts / what dropping it would enable

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07:58 <pq> #wayland in freenode has been forcefully taken over. It no longer mentions OFTC and we no longer have any ops there.

08:00 <emersion> do you want me to take it over again?

08:01 <pq> I see no point in that.

08:01 <emersion> (done so for my other channels, which were taken over as well)

08:01 <pq> how could you, though?

08:01 <emersion> the point is making them invite-only, so that people don't go there and expect official support

08:02 <emersion> yeah, by asking an op

08:02 <pq> if you want to, I don't mind, but I also don't mind otherwise

08:02 <emersion> my main concern is that "#wayland on Freenode" might still be referenced in quite a lot of places

08:03 <pq> the chanserv access list has been re-written there

08:05 <emersion> examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/wayland/comments/hglwua/this_wayland_sub_is_pretty_dead_better_places_to/

08:05 <emersion> https://chromium.googlesource.com/external/anongit.freedesktop.org/git/wayland/weston/+/HEAD/CONTRIBUTING.md

08:07 <pq> *shrug* - I'd probably start caring if someone talks there. For some reason I currently can't.

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08:20 <emersion> regained access to freenode's channel

08:21 <pq> cool - oh, it was moderated before, that's why I couldn't speak I guess

08:22 <pq> looks like the same admin that took it over also released it?

08:23 <pq> do what you want there :-)

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08:30 <emersion> big hammer used

08:31 <pq> thanks!

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08:40 <daniels> jesus

08:40 <daniels> thanks emersion

08:40 <daniels> I wasn't able to do that because they also K-lined all of IRCCloud

08:40 <emersion> let me know if you want to re-gain op on freenode

08:40 <emersion> pq, it seems like you're not authenticated, so i've avoided giving out op

08:41 <emersion> yeah, https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1404153550159159298

08:42 <emersion> maybe because irccloud is a competitor to their new freenode bouncer thing

08:43 <daniels> well, also because they tweeted saying that their users should move to other, less broken, networks

08:43 <emersion> right

08:48 <pq> emersion, I don't need op, but I also believe I should be authenticated. I use the SSL cert thing to log in automatically, just my nick is currently a backup nick.

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12:57 <pq> I wish the git commit bot was here now. :-)

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14:35 <romangg> In xdg-activation how is this paragraph meant: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/blob/main/staging/xdg-activation/xdg-activation-v1.xml#L165-168

14:35 <romangg> The token is received through the Wayland connection. So that's about how client to client it's transmitted?

14:39 <jadahl> the token is passed for example via the env var, or via D-Bus when launching a application, not via Wayland. Wayland is only used to retrieve a token from a input event meant to eventually be passed via some other means

14:41 <romangg> jadahl: Aye, so as an example: you click on text file in file browser. file browser requests token from Wayland compositor. Sets env var with the token for the text editor it starts up. Correct flow?

14:42 <jadahl> pretty much yes

14:43 <romangg> Ok, thank you.

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