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<FrostKiwi> A Gallium driver is coming to Gen4/Gen5 Intel iGPUs ( https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Crocus-WIP-MR-Mesa ) and it made me wonder how the wayland graphics stack works. In X11 you define in xorg.conf what Driver to use, but that is not the case with Wayland, where it just works automatically. How does Wayland chose where it get's it's OpenGL / OpenGLES capability from?
<emersion> mesa picks the appropriate driver
<emersion> it's not difficult, getGetVersion then dlopen(driver_name)
<emersion> i think X11 can auto-detect as well?
<emersion> Xorg*
<FrostKiwi> emersion: Can I ask it nicely to pick something else?^^
<emersion> what do you want to do exactly? pick a different GPU on a multi-GPU setup?
<pq> or pick a different Mesa driver for one GPU than what Mesa picks by default?
<FrostKiwi> pq: Yep, that one.
<pq> that's completely up to Mesa then
<emersion> MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE
<emersion> will probably break stuff
<FrostKiwi> emersion: If I manage to patch and compile that new driver for i915, then I will have 2 and I want to switch for testing.
<emersion> ah, isee
<FrostKiwi> *patch and compile for FreeBSD
<emersion> i think MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE will do then
<pq> https://docs.mesa3d.org/envvars.html but the description is a bit short
<FrostKiwi> Why does X11 require you writing an xorg.conf then if it's supposedly automatic?
<pq> Does it?
<FrostKiwi> Anytime I installed arch I had to specify Driver "modesetting" or "intel" if x86-video-intel was installed.
<pq> The only driver I know of that is set in xorg.conf are the xf86-video-* Xorg drivers.
<pq> not the Mesa driver
<FrostKiwi> oooooooooh
<FrostKiwi> TIL
<pq> yeah, we have (at least) three different kinds of drivers: kernel, Mesa, and Xorg.
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<FrostKiwi> and that DRI thingy in between Mesa and kernel
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<pq> DRI is many things, which one do you mean? :-)
<pq> DRM is the kernel API towards userspace
<FrostKiwi> uuuugh... that thing I need to get a graphical console and not a VGA console on FreeBSD. "i915kms.ko" installed by "drm-kmod"
<pq> ...which is exposed via device nodes in /dev/dri, heh
<MrCooper> the DRI driver can also be overridden via driconf
<pq> I have no idea at all about any of the BSDs.
<pq> The kernel drivers are referred to as DRM, though. Most DRI things are in userspace instead.
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<zzag> pq: technically, can a cursor surface have sub-surfaces?
<zzag> the protocol spec doesn't forbid
<zzag> but I still wonder if it's a legit case
<zzag> also, many compositors probably don't handle this edge case correctly...
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<emersion> yes, a cursor can have subsurfaces
<gitlab-bot> emersion issue 4 in wleird "Cursor with subsurfaces" [Open]
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<zzag> emersion: sigh, amazing
<emersion> i don't know of any client doing that though
<zzag> yep, it's probably an edge case
<emersion> drag and drop sub-surfaces might be more common, or at least have a more reasonable use-case
<emersion> e.g. display a little indicator next to the drag icon
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<Plagman> MrCooper: gamescope relies on polling the dma-bufs as well and i think they come back at the right time from what i've seen on amdgpu
<Plagman> it's concerning if you ran into an issue there, i'd want to double-check we're not affected as well
<Plagman> what's the different behaviour you're seeing there?
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