ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput
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<vyivel>
in xdg_surface.get_popup, is it mandatory for the parent to have a role?
<emersion>
i would think so
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<emersion>
it would be extremely weird for a protocol extension to change what happens when a bare wl_surface is used with get_popup
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<vyivel>
emersion: well it's not really a bare wl_surface
<vyivel>
parent is object<xdg_surface> there
<emersion>
oh, sorry, i misunderstood
<emersion>
or did i
<emersion>
hm, right, get_popup is not the extensible version
<emersion>
or rather, it is, but then parent is null
<vyivel>
what i mean is
<emersion>
well, it would be extremely weird for an extension protocol top change what happens when a bare xdg_surface parent is passed in
<emersion>
to*
<vyivel>
a popup's parent should be a toplevel or a popup (assuming xdg-shell only), but it's possible to set an xdg_surface without a role as a popup's parent
<emersion>
does the current protocol allow something like:
<vyivel>
and then with some trickery you can create a popup loop
<emersion>
get_popup(parent=xdg_surface@1)
<emersion>
xdg_surface@1.get_toplevel()
<vyivel>
it's not specified, that's the problem
<vyivel>
mutter disallows this, for example
<vyivel>
weston is fine
<emersion>
if current compositors disallow this, it's a good case for clarifying the protocol
<davidre>
> The parent of an xdg_popup must be mapped (see the xdg_surface description) before the xdg_popup itself.
<davidre>
> For an xdg_surface to be mapped by the compositor, the following conditions must be met: (1) the client has assigned an xdg_surface-based role to the surface
<davidre>
So to me it seems the intention was to allow unmapped parents in the request
<vyivel>
mapped means ready to be displayed
<vyivel>
i don't see why it shouldn't be possible to create a popup tree and then map everything top-down
<zamundaaa[m]>
I don't see how that would be a sane thing to allow
<vyivel>
lol i guess that's fiar
<vyivel>
fair
<vyivel>
though, i don't think that interpretation is enforced by anyone
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<serjosna>
because when i was lacking that subject at school, same wise i would not understood that method, cause the ones who try to rule such as the banners who force others under their tact and regulation i.e manipulate you to stay fraudulently at the top are pressurising you deep, so i know exactly without that education and the best high school graduated i would had crashed alike. IT's a fact, those dudes are so abusive, but the education came
<serjosna>
to rescue, and it is a long story, i remembered what teacher said about those things and what book said, and that is why i was confident.
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<pq>
Hmm. Maybe I should move Weston's eotf_mode API from core to become DRM-backend specific. And the future colorimetry mode as well (for controlling "Colorspace").
<pq>
If the Wayland backend gains HDR support, all it needs is the content image description to forward to the host.
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<pq>
Or... could I infer both KMS "HDR_OUTPUT_METADATA" and "Colorspace" from the image description that Weston frontend assigns to an output...
<pq>
I wouldn't be able to clearly indicate Colorspace=default though
<pq>
"traditional gamma HDR" eotf mode would be difficult to indicate too, and what about a future SBTM
<pq>
so yeah, I need the frontend to set both driving modes (eotf, colorimetry) and output image description separately, and let the frontend be responsible for them to not conflict.
<pq>
it would still make sense for a wayland-backend output to tell which eotf and colorimetry modes are available, so maybe there is reason to keep the getter API in the libweston core
<pq>
then, why not keep the setter API in core as well, all the definitions come with the getter API anyway
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<pq>
DRM-backend would blindly do what the setter API says, wayland-backend would ignore it, and any other backend probably exposes only the single default SDR option.
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<dottedmag>
boud: Wayland is not a piece of software, it's a protocol, so "managed by Wayland" makes as much sense as "managed by HTTP". If you use GNOME, please report bug to Mutter.
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<boud>
dottedmag: Thanks for the clarification about what Wayland is :). The bug occurs for both foot and gnome-console aka kgx.