marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi
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<meetm>
henlo
<meetm>
wondering if anyone is using asahi on m1 macbook pro for day to day?
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<opticron>
I have that one, but I'm not there yet. It's mostly a time thing for me right now since all the necessary features are available
<opticron>
Once internal speaker support gets released, that's 100% functionality for me
<opticron>
external displays will be icing on the cake
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<mps>
meetm: I'm using it for more than a year and a half (alpine linux with asahi kernel)
<mps>
never had any serious problem
<meetm>
interesting, i've been wanting to start using linux again after 2-3 years of macos now
<meetm>
but dont want to spend on another laptop right now lol
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<mps>
you can have dual boot
<waldi>
can i install/run macos in qemu with linux/kvm? i know that qemu on macos can run macos in a special mode
<meetm>
is m1 working at its potential on asahi?
<nicolas17>
define "potential"
<mps>
waldi: probably you will need hacks for this
<nicolas17>
there's a highly complex image signal processor for the webcam, and there is no support for the webcam, so there's certainly untapped potential that will take a while to happen :P
<meetm>
i mean all the performance gains from m1 chip
<ChaosPrincess>
waldi: the short answer is no
<nicolas17>
waldi: I think the VM-able macOS still needs paravirtualized Metal
<nicolas17>
so you'd need a whole Metal implementation on Linux to get graphics
<mps>
meetm: I didn't used macos so can't tell, but it is quite performant for me
<mps>
I can build linux kernel in about 3 minutes
<meetm>
oh, you've been on asahi since you got the laptop?
<mps>
meetm: my son bought it to run linux only
<mps>
bought to me*
<waldi>
ChaosPrincess: fair enough
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<meetm>
okay
<mps>
I don't like macos
<meetm>
there are no alternative to asahi right? for running linux on mac?
<mps>
never used it for anything except run asahi install
<ChaosPrincess>
if you dont like arch, you can use the asahi kernel with whatever distro you want
<ChaosPrincess>
i run gentoo, some other people run alpine, others - fedora
<mps>
meetm: strictly speaking asahi is kernel, you can run other distros if you like some of them
<meetm>
interesting
<mps>
debian, fedora, nixos, alpime and some others works
<nicolas17>
I read that "the goal of the asahi distro is to cease to exist" (because all the patches will be upstream and any distro will Just Work)
<mps>
nicolas17: yes
<mps>
s/alpime/alpine/
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<mps>
I read that some people run mainline kernel and not asahi kernel
<ChaosPrincess>
mainline is only barely usable and only on m1 mini
<as400>
mps: I wonder, is there a plan for "official" Alpine Linux M1 ?
<mps>
as400: I think is not needed. all userspace works without any change as on other arm64. When all missing things accepted to mainline kernel then separate release for apple silicon will not be needed
<mps>
maybe only installer
<mps>
we have asahi kernel in alpine official repo for long time, (and m1n1 and u-boot-asahi)
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<mps>
'Mon Apr 4 14:07:52 2022 +0000' when I added linux-asahi to alpine official aports
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<bluetail>
can you theoretically run android on a m1 mac?
<bluetail>
natively?
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<ChaosPrincess>
theoretically yes
<ChaosPrincess>
and waydroid exists and its vert close to native
<nicolas17>
is all the custom crap the Android userspace needs, already upstreamed to the kernel?
<ChaosPrincess>
main thing it needs is binder and its upstream since forever
<j`ey>
nicolas17: no
<as400>
mps: ok, sounds reasonable.
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<j`ey>
(or at least I didnt think it was!)
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