ChanServ changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development - Did you try looking at our wiki? https://linux-sunxi.org - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait for an answer! - This channel is logged at https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi
warpme_____ has quit []
grming has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
cnxsoft has joined #linux-sunxi
vagrantc has joined #linux-sunxi
vagrantc has quit [Quit: leaving]
vagrantc has joined #linux-sunxi
junari has joined #linux-sunxi
junari_ has joined #linux-sunxi
JohnDoe_71Rus has joined #linux-sunxi
junari has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari_ is now known as junari
<junari> Is reverse engineering for the bl31.bin legal?
<junari> This will not be a problem for the mainlining?
<gamiee> I think nobody had issues with it yet
<gamiee> Also many other IP cores were reverse engineered and there were no problems
<Xogium> I mean they sorta already reverse engineered boot0_bin stuff
<Xogium> ;)
<junari> Nice
<junari> Because everything is known through the ghidra
<gamiee> Also, let's note that laws about reverse engineering differ between countries.
<Xogium> interesting, I never knew that
<junari> I think, companies should pay for the fact that someone popularizes their platforms
<gamiee> junari: Allwinner SoCs are popular only thanks to sunxi community (by my opinion)
<junari> gamiee: Yep, and price too
<Xogium> I entirely agree on the popularity
codekipper has joined #linux-sunxi
<Xogium> then again it feels like all allwinner cares about is android
<gamiee> Price too, but without good software, it would be junk.
<Xogium> it's pure side effect that the SoC work under linux
<gamiee> Xogium: not true, they're working with Linux quite a lot recently, their TinaLinux is not that bad, but still, it could be better.
<Xogium> oh, so they are the one making it ? Somehow I thought it was mangopi
<Xogium> I stand corrected
<gamiee> No, Allwinner is doing TinaLinux
<junari> For example, some companies (like NXP, ST or TI) first make mainline support and then release their processors
<gamiee> There are some SoCs which can't run Android
<pabs> what is TinaLinux based on?
<gamiee> (fun fact, Allwinner forked Android, get rid of most the stuff, and named it CamDroid, it was OS for their V-series chips)
<gamiee> pabs: OpenWRT
<junari> pabs: maybe openwrt?
<pabs> oh, nice
<Xogium> junari: nxp and TI still have lots of stuff to fix up imo -- they still rely on strange boot blobs in some rare cases don't they ?
* pabs would prefer other distros, but OpenWRT is reasonable
<junari> Xogium: yes, NXP have some co-processor, that totally undocumentated
<gamiee> As I said, TinaLinux is not that bad at all, I was developing product with it, and it was not that terrible.
<gamiee> Still, mainline is mainline :)
<Xogium> indeed
<Xogium> but making my own thing with buildroot is more fun ^^
<junari> aprizel: I'm not sure if I phrased it correctly when talking about different sequence. Here changes https://github.com/iuncuim/arm-trusted-firmware/commit/c12d0789f22c4ddc6aea37765a7a7611b5fab5b7
<junari> apritzel: sorry for typo
vagrantc has quit [Quit: leaving]
cnxsoft1 has joined #linux-sunxi
junari_ has joined #linux-sunxi
cnxsoft has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
gsz has joined #linux-sunxi
hentai has quit [Quit: Disconnect]
junari__ has joined #linux-sunxi
junari_ has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
warpme_____ has joined #linux-sunxi
bauen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari_ has joined #linux-sunxi
junari__ has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari_ is now known as junari
gsz has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
<junari> I have a device tree fot T507 with pins PE19 and PD22 that are used as an LED and fixed-regulator gpio. Both of these devices fall into devices_deferred (reg-fixed-voltage: can't get GPIO). Why?
<junari> I suspect that this is due to the deleted pmic node
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
apritzel has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has joined #linux-sunxi
apritzel has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
apritzel has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
bauen1 has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has quit [Quit: evgeny_boger]
evgeny_boger has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has quit [Quit: evgeny_boger]
evgeny_boger has joined #linux-sunxi
<junari> And one more question. In u-boot I can set pmic configuration. But in linux i2cdetect empty
bauen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
<junari> Hmm, looks like ATF is involved
<Xogium> yeah that doesn't surprise me, ATF is the one that handles power management to some extent
<Xogium> about the pmic that is
prefixcactus has quit []
junari_ has joined #linux-sunxi
junari has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari_ is now known as junari
<junari> Yes, it was because the AT-F switches pmic to rsb mode or something else ...
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
JohnDoe_71Rus has quit []
apritzel has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
gsz has joined #linux-sunxi
<libv> junari: reverse engineering in the european union is almost always allowed, as the law states that it is allowed for "compatibility" reasons
<libv> and it usually is not hard to make a case for that
<libv> the laws are different in the .us and other parts of the world
<libv> reverse engineering != disassembling, and using that directly, or turning that disassembly into C code and using that though
<libv> as that immediately runs into copyright issues
<junari> libv: So, there are no problems to see how it works and add it to your program?
<junari> I heard that there were some problems with the guys that make their own MS windows
<junari> And the maximum that they can do is for one to look at the disassembled code in order to retell it to the second guy
<libv> junari: again, what i explained is valid for europe
<libv> and if there is a lot of scrutiny and/or a very litigious "affected" vendor, you might want to be more cautious
<libv> junari: allwinner is a known GPL violator
<libv> so if you are in the .eu and european laws apply, have at it
<junari> I'm more interested in the question of whether the code obtained with the help of ghidra or hexrays is acceptable for ATF or U-Boot
<libv> again, the code, no
<libv> the info yes
<libv> and you do not need to do a full clean room
<libv> but you should not copy decompiled code
<libv> mnemoc and i moved the wiki last night btw
<gamiee> libv: great, thanks for the migration! 😊
<libv> we fixed the png issue (which is actually a bug in mediawiki, where there still is one case where the moved images/ directory and the config variable is not used correctly)
<libv> and the search is also fixed
<mnemoc> alternative domain names (sunxi.org and sunxi-linux.org) aren't working yet though
<libv> so we should have full functionality
<libv> if you notice anything, give us a heads up
<libv> gamiee: we are both glad that we have this massive todo off our respective lists :)
<mnemoc> everything in smartctrl's output was at estimated life remaining 0 :p
<libv> :)
<libv> plenty!
JohnDoe_71Rus has joined #linux-sunxi
cnxsoft1 has quit []
junari_ has joined #linux-sunxi
junari has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
junari_ has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
Nemo_bis has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
bauen1 has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has quit [Quit: evgeny_boger]
Nemo_bis has joined #linux-sunxi
bauen1 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
grming has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has joined #linux-sunxi
vagrantc has joined #linux-sunxi
peterm6881 has joined #linux-sunxi
gsz has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
grming has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
peterm6881 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
bauen1 has joined #linux-sunxi
JohnDoe_71Rus has quit []
qwestion has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
diego71_ has joined #linux-sunxi
diego71 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
apritzel has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
apritzel has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
apritzel has joined #linux-sunxi
hentai has joined #linux-sunxi
hentai has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
hentai has joined #linux-sunxi
evgeny_boger has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
ftg has joined #linux-sunxi
grming has joined #linux-sunxi
nashpa has quit [Read error: No route to host]
dliviu has joined #linux-sunxi
apritzel has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]