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<stintel>
I've had several brands of non-smart LED die within a year. then I switched to Ikea zigbee LED lamps just before covid happened and they are all still alive
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<rmilecki>
Ansuel: "subscription to the led lamp" lol, i like that :D
<hauke>
rmilecki: you ned it to get all security updates for your light bulb ;-)
<rmilecki>
i think it was about cheap LEDs dying so often
<rmilecki>
i hated when my LEDs were getting 50% darker after few months
<rmilecki>
learnt to buy properly branded LEDs since then
* russell--
switches back to candles
<hauke>
I am pretty happy with my LEDs, have some smart ones from Hue and some dumb ones from Ikea
<hauke>
candles are running out of fuel after some hours only
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<rmilecki>
i know 5 GHz is so common those daysb
<rmilecki>
but i still don't like much Zigbee with its 2.4 GHz band, lower range, bigger energy consumption
<rmilecki>
i wish Z-Wave got finally a bit cheaper
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<robimarko>
I have those ring magnetic ones that replace E27 fixtures and they have been great so far
<robimarko>
Its been 5+ years and they are all working
<robimarko>
Its rather hit and miss with crap LED-s, but I have GU10 ones that have been great as well
<nbd>
rmilecki: pushed a mt76 update that fixes the beacon issue, and another potential mt7603 stability issue
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<Mangix>
rmilecki: you and me both. I doubt that's going to happen. Seems the industry has settled on Matter
<stintel>
you can't compare matter with z-wave
<stintel>
at least thread supports redundancy, which you don't get with z-wave nor zigbee
<stintel>
unfortunately I haven't had time to work on openthread recently
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<stintel>
and the home-assistant matter / thread support requires HA, the Matter server, the Thread Border router(s) and your phone (the commissioner device) to all be in the same L2 subnet
<stintel>
which would require me to redo my network and to introduce a bunch of security risks, which I'm not really willing to do, so it's low prio for me right now anyway
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<stintel>
hmm. maybe I could do a test setup, with new HA and Matter Server instance in my IoT vlan and connect my phone to that SSID for testing
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<Mangix>
What do you mean redundancy?
<stintel>
if your controller dies, you're fucked
<stintel>
controller as in your zigbee or zwave stick, or whatever computer it's attached to
<Mangix>
So devices continue working? That's neat
<Mangix>
In any case, I'm not replacing my ZWave setup anytime soon.
<stintel>
in theory z-wave supports multiple controllers but only one "master" controller (I forgot the exact term)
<stintel>
I was running multiple domoticz instances at some point, with 2 z-wave controllers, but it's not ideal
<stintel>
and afaik zigbee doesn't support something like that at all
<stintel>
also all this home automation software is not built with redundancy in mind. I don't understand why nobody seems to be bothered by this
<stintel>
if I reboot my server running home assistant, I cannot control any of my smart lamps for 5-ish minutes
<stintel>
which is obviously extremely annoying, and WAF 0
<Mangix>
Software or hardware?
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<stintel>
what do you mean? the zigbee/z-wave stick is in the server, and since you can't properly have multiple controllers, it doesn't matter, if you reboot the server for software upgrades, or you have a hardware failure, you can't control your smart devices
<stintel>
sure, you can have a backup server with the same config, and replug the sticks, but that's ... very inconvenient
<stintel>
I can reboot my main openwrt router and the backup one takes over automatically, Internet keeps working. same if I reboot one of my APs, clients roam to other APs. I want the same for zigbee/z-wave, but afaik it's not possible
<stintel>
sigh. tried bisecting an mt76 performance regression and now tools/elfutils doesn't build
<Habbie>
i thought this would be, theoretically, possible with zigbee if you copy the key
<stintel>
still a hack, and probably difficult to pull off seemlessly
<stintel>
I was able to join an EVE thread device, but it eventually disconnected again because some mDNS request would timeout
<stintel>
I believe I somewhat documented my progress in the comments
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<Anteus>
<stintel> "I can reboot my main openwrt..." <- Interested in your openwrt router failover. How is it setup? WAN to a switch and to both routers and then back to a switch and the rest of the LAN?
<stintel>
the conntrack table sync is currently broken but that's only important for stuff like SSH - streaming services or just web should have no noticable impact
<colo>
stintel: what's generally used to sync netfilter state across nodes?
<colo>
(and/or conntrack)
<stintel>
conntrackd
<colo>
ah, yeah, I read about that previosuly
<colo>
thanks :)
<colo>
it's broken in your specific setup, or in general, at this stage of development?
<stintel>
it's probably not working for me because I'm using the mode not recommended by the author
<colo>
ack
<stintel>
but I have to, as I have an IPv6 tunnel on each router with full BGP feed
<stintel>
and that's active/active
<stintel>
and async
<stintel>
I should probably look into it again at some point
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<Anteus>
stintel: Thank you!
<stintel>
welcome :)
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