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<Elon_Satoshi>
How do I get x programs to run in xwayland? I keep getting this error when I try to run x programs such as surf: https://termbin.com/thgi
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<Elon_Satoshi>
hardening: sup
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<daniels>
Elon_Satoshi: looks like a surf bug, but set GTK_BACKEND=x11 in your environment when you need to run it
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<Elon_Satoshi>
daniels: that worked, thanks
<daniels>
np
<Elon_Satoshi>
it seems surf also has no native hotkey to exit
<Elon_Satoshi>
just switched to qutebrowser lmao
<bookworm>
suckless, because recompiling for a config change is "sane"
<Elon_Satoshi>
ah well, who needs suckless. cage has set me free
<Elon_Satoshi>
no dwm, no window managers, just a tty and cage
<Elon_Satoshi>
now imma install crispy doom and see if it runs in cage without a gdk_backend var
<pq>
kennylevinsen, maybe I asked this before, but if the only use case in some OS for libseat is to run Weston as root without any actual seat management, do you still need PAM?
<pq>
just got yet another "don't require PAM" patch for weston
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<kennylevinsen>
ugh, had gotten reconnected without authing again so all my messages went to /dev/null I think
<kennylevinsen>
pq: libseat and seatd has no interaction or dependency on PAM. For the logind backend of libseat, only systemd-logind istelf (or elogind) needs PAM. seatd (whether builtin, a service or seatd-launch) does not touch PAM.
<pq>
yup, /dev/null
<kennylevinsen>
So yes, you should be able to avoid PAM entirely if you're using libseat with seatd.
<pq>
kennylevinsen, alright, sounds like there should be no problem.
<pq>
I guess the whole culprint is weston-launch's ability to change users.
<pq>
*culprit
<kennylevinsen>
yes - seatd-launch only does simple privilege drop, which reduces scope.
<pq>
..which was also necessary because it's not a daemon.
<pq>
I really like libseat. Now I just have to start using it. ;-)
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<romangg>
If you use wlroots, you start using it for free. :P
<pq>
romangg, I mean personal configuration, not code.
<romangg>
sorry for noob question, but how does that work?
<pq>
'cause my HDR test setup is still on launcher-direct
<pq>
weston build config mostly, I think
<pq>
and maybe a script to force libseat to not use any daemon, since test seat is special
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<kennylevinsen>
there's a noop backend for no daemon, but maybe you need something more magic for the "test seat"
<pq>
I mean just forcing it to use the noop backend - I guess it would pick logind otherwise?
<pq>
The test seat is a second physical seat I've configured in udev with its very own DRM and input devices, hacked so I have permission to open them.
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<kennylevinsen>
yeah LIBSEAT_BACKEND would be used to force noop
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<Elon_Satoshi>
When I run minetest in cage (`cage minetest`) or run crispy-doom in cage, the mouse is way too sensitive. Is there a fix for this?
<Elon_Satoshi>
And how do I get torbrowser-launcher to run in sway or cage?
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<romangg>
What should a Wayland compositor do if you have multiple keyboards connected on the same seat and then user presses and holds the same key on both keyboards. Send twice the key event with pressed key_state?
<kennylevinsen>
No, I believe we're supposed to pretend it's 1 keyboard
<kennylevinsen>
Unfortunately, I think it would have been better to just require clients to deal with it, giving them more freedom - they already have to deal with multiple wl_seats anyway.
<romangg>
Ok, so never send the second key. Yea, one could have sent it and let the client deal with it. On the other side it's a corner case. So probably not such a big issue. I could imagine it would have been helpful for some more special devices like a steam controller emulating a keyboard though.
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