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<DemiMarie>
<emersion> "i think wlroots just broadcasts..." <- Could even be a security vulnerability in some cases.
<DemiMarie>
(broadcasting modifiers to all clients)
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<DemiMarie>
danieldg: multiple XWayland instances would be amazing, *especially* if they were deprivileged and sandboxed. Ideally an application that used XWayland would spawn XWayland itself, and XWayland would not need any Wayland-side privileges.
<DemiMarie>
Right now one problem is that the X11 C client libraries are not secure against malicious servers. I have an idea to fix that for libxcb, by generating a validation function, but that will be tricky and it could be a long time before I get around to implementing it.
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<SardemFF7>
emersion: guess my reconnect code needs some more love ^^ (I restarted it, should work)
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<emersion>
DemiMarie: that's modifiers we're talking about
<DemiMarie>
emersion: Arguably still an infoleak, though not a very serious one (you can’t steal passwords with it for example).
<emersion>
I fail to see how this can be "a security vulnerability in some cases"
<emersion>
not everything is a security vuln... I get that its not the best thing ever, but not sure rubber stamping a scary label is necessary here
<DemiMarie>
If you are sending keystrokes to something (such as a sandboxed flatpak) that should not have it, that is an information leak. Whether it is a serious one is another matter; this one probably isn’t.
<DemiMarie>
In other words, while it seems to meet the definition of an info leak, that is very nitpicky.
<DemiMarie>
And yeah, security people (myself included at times) can be too black and white at times
<DemiMarie>
emersion: sorry if I spooked you (or anyone else here).
<emersion>
no worries, i see, it's just that i tend to take security matters less seriously when every little thing is a vuln
<DemiMarie>
Yeah, which is a very good reason not to label every little thing as a vuln.
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<MrCooper>
it would actually be nice if whatever ends up being used for global hotkeys with Wayland could work with Xwayland for X11 key grabs at least in some cases as well
<SardemFF7>
with my proposal we could have a special namespace for Xwayland and it’d all work well :-)
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<any1>
Is there a specific reason why width/height info isn't passed through libinput for touchscreens or is it just not implemented?
<kennylevinsen>
maybe because it's meant to be mapped to a screen providing that info? not sure though
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<emersion>
what do you mean by "isn't passed through libinput"?
<any1>
evdev report ABS_MT_{PRESSURE,TOUCH_MAJOR,TOUCH_MINOR}. Those don't get passed along after libinput
<any1>
evdev-fallback.c doesn't take them into consideration.
<any1>
I also find it strange that touchscreens end up in the "fallback path", but I suppose that's just a matter of semantics..
<any1>
I'm just wondering if I should add this stuff and post patches or if someone's gonna say: "nah, that's not how we do things anymore; we know better than those kernel devs..." :)
<emersion>
there's an issue about orientation in the libinput repo
<emersion>
tl;dr unreliable and no clear use-case
<any1>
umm, it defines the orientation of the ellipse that's defined by major and minor.
<any1>
It makes sense when drawing on the screen with a finger.
<any1>
Also, everything is unreliable when it comes to multitouch screens. Doesn't mean we should just give up..
<emersion>
have you read the issue?
<any1>
Nope. :) I'm not really all that interested in the orientation part; major and minor are more important
<emersion>
it just so happens the issue is about shape as well
<any1>
Oh, I see. You ran into the same thing yourself. :)
<emersion>
anyways, if you have some solid use-case it should be easy to add
<any1>
Yeah, people expect to see a thicker line drawn when they push harder on the screen.
<emersion>
s/use-case/wayland client patch/
<any1>
I have about 7 different touch screens in the office, btw
<emersion>
wew
<emersion>
do you have one which reports a sensible shape and orientation?
<any1>
Well, I have at least one that reports sensible major and minor values
<any1>
I haven't checked this on the others
<wb9688>
I only have 1 touchscreen and I think it does not report anything
<any1>
I'm think that I might create some sort of a UI that guides the user through some different actions performed on a touch screen to gather a database of raw hid data for different touch screens. Does something like the maybe exist already?
<emersion>
there is `libinput debug-gui`, but maybe not quite what you want
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<emersion>
hm probably too high-level
<any1>
I tried running it and it just complains that it failed to get file transfer portal, whatever that is
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<any1>
But, no, from the description, that's not what I was thinking about. Also, I guess it expects me to be running Gnome, so I can't use it. :)
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<jadahl>
any1: running xdg-document-portal might be enough, it's not related to gnome in any way
<emersion>
ah, gtk
<emersion>
i love it when it tries to connect to xdg-document-portal, and hangs for 30s on startup of any app
<kennylevinsen>
was that ever fixed?
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<emersion>
we even have a sway wiki entry to explain the mess
<emersion>
i don't know, haven't tried recently
<kennylevinsen>
I haven't seen it recently, and I do use a fair amount of Gtk apps