#wayland on 2024-01-10 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2023-04-28 11:16 ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput

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02:17 <YaLTeR[m]> Company: it was intentionally omitted at the time, it renders the full combined outputs view and cuts from that (which will have all monitors at the same "scale" so that cross-monitor selection matches up). It needs a separate code path to render every monitor individually and when the selection is fully contained within one monitor, use a monitor specific render

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11:33 <pq> zzag, FWIW, when talking about output/buffer rotations, I find wording things based on orientation much more clear than based on what you rotate and in which direction.

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11:34 <pq> I also use pieces of paper where I draw the local coordinate system, and then play with those :-)

11:37 <zzag> pq: re piece of paper: that's also what I did

11:37 <zzag> I find the current wording a bit ambiguous

11:37 <zzag> an example would help

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11:39 <zzag> e.g. the top left corner of the surface with transform T will map to xyz corner of the buffer (assuming there's no viewport)

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12:10 <pq> zzag, which wording where exactly?

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12:12 <zzag> in the wl_surface.set_buffer_transform request

12:13 <zzag> as is, it's ambiguous

12:14 <zzag> first of all, wl_output_transform's docs talk about compensation for rotation

12:14 <zzag> then the same enum is used in wl_surface.set_buffer_transform

12:14 <zzag> which adds even more confusion

12:15 <pq> ah yeah, the protocol docs... it must have been only Weston docs that I recall improving

12:17 <pq> so, wl_output.transform describes what the compositor will do to a (normally oriented) surface in order to display it on the output.

12:18 <pq> e.g. "rotate 90 degrees counter-clockwise"

12:19 <pq> take a piece of paper to represent the surface, rotate it, slap it on a monitor in normal orientation, then rotate both to the orientation the monitor is actually in, and the surface needs to end up up-right.

12:21 <pq> wl_surface.set_buffer_transform IMO tries to say that this is the wl_output.transform that the client has already targeted with its drawing.

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12:23 <pq> take a piece of paper, draw coordinate axes on it according to the transform but do not rotate the paper; slap the paper on a monitor in normal orientation, and rotate both together to the monitor's actual orientation, and the drawn axes must come up up-right.

12:24 <pq> complicated, could very much use a complete re-wording by orientation

12:26 <pq> zzag, did I manage to clarify why both are using the same enum? That one says what the client should do, and the other is what the client decided to do.

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12:47 <zzag> pq: yeah, after some struggling I finally figured that out (and fixed kwin)

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13:37 <clarkk> I'm on Debian 12. As my system has a intel/nvidia chip, it suffers from the following memory leak bug, which causes it to become unresponsive after a couple of days, meaning I lose all my in-memory data. I've worked around the problem by using Wayland instead of X Windows. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017819

13:38 <clarkk> My problem now is that, when I switch to different already-running applications, their windows aren't fitted to the screen properly. They are maximized, which is correct, but for example the bottom edge is offscreen, and I have to pin it to the left or right side first and then maximize it to make it fit the screen properly. Anyone know how I can resolve this, please?

13:38 <clarkk> X Windows worked fine in this respect

13:43 <soreau> clarkk: this sounds like the wm part of your compositor needs help

13:44 <soreau> you can try asking in your compositor support channels, file an issue or try a different compositor

13:45 <clarkk> soreau, could you clarify what the compositor is? Do you mean Gnome?

13:46 <soreau> yes, gnome uses a process called mutter to render the desktop

13:46 <soreau> mutter is the compositor

13:51 <clarkk> soreau, I'm talking to someone in #debian who uses wayland but doesn't have this issue. They don't have an igpu and have dual monitors

13:51 <soreau> clarkk: you need to ask in gnome support channels

13:51 <clarkk> I just have a laptop, using its integrated screen

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13:52 <clarkk> soreau, ok. I've hardly ever got a response from the gnome irc channels, unfortunately

13:53 <soreau> clarkk: sometimes you have to be patient. In the meantime you can try a web search to see if others might have a solution to your issue

13:53 <ebassi> clarkk: GNOME is mainly on Matrix, these days

13:53 <ebassi> so asking on IRC isn't going to work

13:53 <soreau> my guess is that it would be more related to the version of the client or mutter, not a driver issue

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13:54 <soreau> ebassi: it only won't work if you don't have the answer :)

13:54 <clarkk> soreau, what do you mean by client?

13:55 <soreau> clarkk: a client in this context is a program that connects to a display server and conveys one or more surfaces to the compositor

13:55 <soreau> in short: an app

13:56 <daniels> Wayland is just a set of protocols and conventions

13:56 <clarkk> soreau, that's interesting. Actually, most windows are correct, but a couple that I use all the time have the problem.

13:56 <daniels> if you're having a 'bug with Wayland', this means that the things which implement them are buggy - in this case the server is GNOME Shell / Mutter (which decides where and how to place windows), and the clients are the apps you're running which should be following the server's direction

13:57 <daniels> if there are only a couple that you use, the issue is very likely that those apps aren't doing the right thing, so I'd chase it up with them

13:57 <clarkk> Those being the gnome terminal and telegram desktop (started from the terminal)

13:57 <daniels> either way, it's not an issue with 'Wayland' specifically, because Wayland is not the thing putting your windows at the wrong position or making them be the wrong size

13:58 <soreau> daniels: sometimes I imagine you have help-desk bindings that paste these texts for you xD

13:59 <daniels> ha, not a bad idea

13:59 <soreau> :-)

13:59 <soreau> but the tried-and-true method is add !factiods to the bot :P

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14:22 <clarkk> soreau, daniels thanks for your help - much appreciated. I'm asking in the gnome channel now

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20:18 <wlb> weston Merge request !1442 opened by Derek Foreman (derekf) libweston/backends: Move damage flush into backends https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1442 [Core compositor], [DRM/KMS backend], [Headless backend], [Nested Wayland backend], [Nested X11 backend], [PipeWire Backend], [RDP backend], [VNC Backend]

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