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<marcan>
mps: mesa doesn't care about machine differences and if you had kernel GPU problems I would expect faults in dmesg, so that sounds like a random userspace problem
<marcan>
I haven't tested on all machines yet, but if I can't repro it anywhere I think you'll have to debug that one yourself. could be a musl thing.
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<mps>
marcan: binaries on both machines are same versions and same build. Even I could try to boot both from external usb ssd to check
<mps>
and I forgot to mention that X crashes with sigabort when starting with asahi-mesa 20230603
<mps>
while sway/wayland works fine with it
<mps>
only non standard thing is local patches which enables speakers in kernel
<mps>
but to repeat, this is not much important to me because I've got it working with older asahi-mesa (for which I forgot to write exact git commit from which I built it)
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<mps>
marcan: sorry for noise. it works fine on j293 when booted from usb ssd which is full copy of rootFS from j314s
<mps>
and thank you for the hints
<mps>
(I guessing 'apk upgrade' skipped something)
<marcan>
crashing X sounds like what happens when you build regular mesa with the asahi driver enabled
<marcan>
(particularly older versions, that got fixed recently)
<mps>
I expected UAPI difference warning but didn't seen it
<mps>
for long I use only asahi-mesa on these machines and not regular mesa from alpine repo
<mps>
btw, with asahi kernel 6.3-5 battery lasts longer
<marcan>
than with -4?
<marcan>
compared to what?
<mps>
compared to 6.2 series
<marcan>
well yes, that's kinda the point :p
<marcan>
< mps> I expected UAPI difference warning but didn't seen it <- if you build non-asahi mesa with asahi enabled there is no UAPI, that code is broken and never supposed to run at all
<mps>
heh yes. just wanted to report
<marcan>
that's what the lovely manjaro people enabled for us which broke the ALARM mesa
<mps>
ah
<marcan>
newer mesa properly neutered that driver entirely so now it's just dead code
<mps>
I tried just once (about month ago) to build regular mesa and use with asahi kernel but (as expected) it didn't worked and I deleted it
<mps>
now everything is very fine. thank you all devs
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<axboe>
is it known the the latest kernels (update from a today, few days ago, and the one asahi-wip before that) don't wotk with X and accelleration?
<axboe>
I just get llvm-pipe on those
<axboe>
f72b509e14dcaea5aa7fcd21083e25d60a20bcc3 seems like the last known good one on my end in terms of that
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<psykose>
could probably delete half of that :p
<mps>
psykose: yes, but who cares, it build fast anyway
<psykose>
of course :)
<mps>
actually I had smaller one but in last two builds added some options to be closer to regular asahi
<psykose>
it's a bit unintuitive to get such an override to work with apk but that provides= per name works, so you got it, it's what i would have done
<mps>
imagine working in frenzy ;-)
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<axboe>
mps: yep that worked
<mps>
nice
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<mps>
axboe: you are using X?
<axboe>
yep, thanks for the hint. not sure why I didn't think of a mesa upgrade...
<axboe>
using X, yep
<mps>
does TearFree option works for you
<axboe>
I think I tried it back when it was a separate patch, but haven't run it since
<mps>
I still have sometimes in some apps cursor flickering
<axboe>
yeah that one I have too for some web pages
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<mps>
yes, also I have it just for some pages
<mps>
s/just/only/
* mps
is self taught in english
<axboe>
does the tearfree fix it for you?
<axboe>
I didn't have any noticeable tearing in videos etc, and the flickering for some pages wasn't bad enough for me to care about testing it any further
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<mps>
axboe: no, Tearfree doesn't help for those web pages in my case
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<axboe>
ok
<axboe>
I'm on xfce4, looks like they do have some experimental wayland support going. once that works, I'll likely just switch away from X, I have no sentimental attachment to it :)
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<mps>
I'm contemplating build hyprland for alpine and test it. if it works fine maybe also will switch from X
<mps>
but don't have enough time for such things for now
<psykose>
i could built it for you but it's mostly a pile of shit
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<mps>
psykose: hm, could be, I have very little experience with wayland and only used sway for some testing
<mps>
what is your advice for heavy and long time awesome wm user
<psykose>
hmm
<psykose>
i don't think there's something quite like awesome
<mps>
to me hyprland looks close but I"m not sure
<psykose>
the most polished non-major-de wm is sway which you already tried, ofc nowhere near the same
<mps>
I like lua scripting with awesome
<psykose>
depending on what the scripting does (i don't remember, though i used awesome for a year before) most of it is implementable with whatever hooks/shortcuts that then interact via api client (i.e. on sway, swaymsg sends stuff, there's various 3rdparty things to make sway do stuff, ..) and most of the compositors have some ctl command