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<sid-linux>
Hello folks, for those using ALARM I have posted a question on #asahi-alt since it may be slightly off topic. The question is regarding the appearance of (many!) new packages on ALARM and whether updates are finally OK on ALARM now.
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<jannau>
looks like someone needs to make a video of the touch bar
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<jannau>
ChaosPrincess: very nice
<ChaosPrincess>
btw, have you managed to figure out the startup ordering
<ChaosPrincess>
cause its flaky rn
<ChaosPrincess>
i did 20-ish reboots, on some it starts, on some i need a systemctl restart before it can process touch events
<jannau>
worked for me reliable but I haven't tested it so I hve probably not much more than 5 boots
<jannau>
starnge that touch events are the problem. I would have expected problems elsewhere since we activate on the digitizer device
<ChaosPrincess>
we have a Wants relationship, while we need something similar to After
<jannau>
why is it flaky? because it sometimes starts before the touch input device is ready?
<ChaosPrincess>
something like that. the symptoms is that it does not detect the input device
<ChaosPrincess>
and libinput doesnt seem to send the device added event for it after it finishes doing what it needs to do
<jannau>
I'd blame privdrop/chroot for that and not libinput
<ChaosPrincess>
so, move privdrop to after the input device is detected?
<jannau>
let's first test if it's privdrop/chroot. we probably want to make that smarter than it currently is anyway
<jannau>
I waa surprised that the button rendering was working. We do not want top do text/svg rendering while we are still root
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<ChaosPrincess>
moved privdrop, survived 10 restarts, good enough for me
<ChaosPrincess>
and i dont think rendering svg is that bad, it uses svgs shipped with the program with hardcoded paths that live inside /usr/share
<ChaosPrincess>
now, i do want to make the function layers configurable eventually, so that might change, but with static ones - whatever
<jannau>
I don't think we will be able to keep the chroot to /var/empty if we want to support dynamic layers
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<ChaosPrincess>
eh, so it depends on how much are we extending that.
<jannau>
I don't think the chroot is necessary. I tried it, it worked. I didn't spend more thought than that
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<ChaosPrincess>
anyway, got distracted by $dayjob, but if we just want to static configurable layers per-user, that can also be done, just load them on startup and drop root
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<ChaosPrincess>
but if we want to go full macos and integrate with desktop and change layers depending on what app is currently in focus, thats way more stuff (probably will need to do dbus and all that)
<ChaosPrincess>
but i personally dont want to write the second one
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<j`ey_>
seems like a bit of a dead end since apple seems to have dropped the touchbar
<ChaosPrincess>
yep, thats why i want to do static layers per user at most.
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<chadmed>
j`ey_: hopefully, but i do recall saying that in 2020
<chadmed>
"oh they probably just have a bunch of leftover chassis/havent finished amortising the tooling they wont make another one"
<j`ey_>
chadmed: none of the new ones post m2 mbp have it tho, right?
<chadmed>
nah but there wasnt a t600x 13" either
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<chadmed>
i mean _surely_ they dont do an m3 13" but who knows anymore
<chadmed>
the touchbar was basically DOA anyway i think they paid adobe to support it and that was about all she wrote
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<ChaosPrincess>
heh, when apple first announced it i was really into a certain mmo that heavily uses f-keys for actions, so i thought it would be cool to actually have action progress icons actually on the kb. And then reality happened :P
<ChaosPrincess>
And i think they would have had more success if it was in addition to f-keys, not a replacement
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<mini_>
I always found it frustrating because there's no physical feedback, so you always have to look at it and be careful
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<jannau>
ChaosPrincess: changed the privdrop to as soon as possible. only the backlight and uinput devices are opened as root. dropped the chroot and used input/video groups instead
<ChaosPrincess>
yea, merged that
<jannau>
it survives now removing and loading the apple_z2 module
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<ChaosPrincess>
yea, i see how that would work
<jannau>
do you have plans to support more or less than 12 buttons? I want to align the touchbar keys to the keys from the qwerty... row
<jannau>
but that might end up strange for other button counts
<ChaosPrincess>
you can change the function layers to any amount of buttons and it should just work (tm)
<ChaosPrincess>
i should not have 12 hardcoded anywhere
<ChaosPrincess>
also, maybe i just have a weird layout, but you cant really align them? the backspace is weird and only partially overlaps the touchbar
<jannau>
I'm not hardcoding anything but calculating sizes and offset so that it matches for 12 buttons
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<j`ey_>
can someone take a pic at some point for us in the peanut gallery
<ChaosPrincess>
jannau: not exactly sure what you want to do then
<jannau>
the backspace key extends to the qwerty row?
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<ChaosPrincess>
or you are aligning to the other row?
<j`ey_>
ChaosPrincess: even though you covered the sensor someone could probably get it :P
<ChaosPrincess>
my enrolled finger is on the left hand so no :P
<jannau>
ah, I want to align the buttons to the row below the backspace / number keys
<ChaosPrincess>
oh, the actual qwerty row
<ChaosPrincess>
idk
<ChaosPrincess>
macos doesnt align it
<ChaosPrincess>
not even to the numbers row
<jannau>
ok, I don't use macos. the function keys on my j314 keyboard are aligned to the keys in the qwerty row
<ChaosPrincess>
checked my j314 (ansi kb) and yea, they are
<ChaosPrincess>
idk
<ChaosPrincess>
i sorta want to support not-12 keys per layer
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<jannau>
I don't think this will break not-12 keys but the math makes even less sense and more pixels are wasted for space between keys and at the left edge
<amarioguy>
btw sorry for asking, but do we have ability to shut off a cluster manually on apple platforms (as in once all the cores are powered down, power the cluster down too), m1n1 doesn't seem to support that
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