<tzimmermann>
hence, i'd like to move accel out of drm-misc. it would still go through drm, but be handled by the accel devs. they would know what the PR should contain
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<mripard>
tzimmermann: I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't see why it's called for either. It looks to me that what you're saying is that they don't really follow the software practices the rest of the kernel follows and it makes it harder for you
<mripard>
I'm not disputing that, I also struggle with it
<tzimmermann>
mripard, indeed
<mripard>
but the solution could also be that they just stop?
<mripard>
I mean, even if they do get their own tree it's going to be problematic :)
<tzimmermann>
mripard, i don't see why i/we should figure this out. let someone with accel/ expertie write the PRs. airlied and sima will then receive more meaningful RPs
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<mripard>
we shouldn't, but we could try to tell them it's an issue for us
<mripard>
but also, I'm pretty sure I don't understand 50% of the patches I need to write a description for (accel excluded), you can't really understand all of them anyway
<tzimmermann>
mripard, honest question: why do we want to keep accel in drm-misc? what's the benefit?
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<mripard>
to us? not much I guess. We do share the mm handling code though iirc
<mripard>
but I'm not sure it's the right way to frame it
<tzimmermann>
in the current drm-misc-next PR of ~200 patches ~20% are in accel
<mripard>
what's the benefit in keeping rcar-du, or omapdss, or most other drivers in drm-misc?
<tzimmermann>
that seems enought for a separate tree
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<tzimmermann>
the benefit of keeping small graphics drivers (rcar-du, omap, etc) is that they have a significant overlap with the DRM core/helpers we keep in drm-misc. that's not the case for accel/ AFAICT
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<tzimmermann>
another issue is the apparently missing review process for these patches. https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/144289/ is just pathces with r-bs. there's not even a public r-b email reply
<sima>
tzimmermann, it's mostly that we don't have a pile of surplus maintainers, so everything lands into drm-misc
<sima>
I'm also hoping that more collaboration with other small render drivers can happen, which are in drm-misc
<sima>
but yeah display side it's not relevant
<sima>
tzimmermann, and yes currently accel is a bit a disaster, I'm hoping for influence through osmosis. if we wall of accel into it's own thing it's pretty much guaranteed to stay a mess
<sima>
tzimmermann, I guess you could reply to that patch series that you need more meaningful cover letters and commit messages, I think that's a fair demand
<tzimmermann>
sima, don't get me wrong. i don't complain about my workload in drm-misc-next. if maintainers of small drivers need a git tree, i'm happy to offer them drm-misc. my complaint is the low effort that goes into making the kernel's processes work for accel/
<sima>
what do you mean with low effort?
<tzimmermann>
sima, it's not like i didnt complain to them before
<sima>
hm I guess time for me to follow up?
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<tzimmermann>
'low effort' in the sense that there's no public review process, no cover letters, not meaningful patch series
<sima>
yeah that's not great
<sima>
can you drop that again onto their latest patch set, and I'll reply with support?
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<sima>
like I said, I think it's fair to expect committers to write meaningful enough commit messages and cover letters that writing reasonable summaries is doable
<tzimmermann>
sima, i'll send out something
<sima>
thx
<javierm>
sima, tzimmermann: their patch series are really PRs in disguise AFAICT
<javierm>
as tzimmermann said, a bunch of patches with existing r-b that were not given in public MLs
<sima>
javierm, yeah I know. the entire accel adventure is an exercise in lowering standards to the basement and then trying to lift them all up
<javierm>
sima: got it
<sima>
we might just pile up our next dri1 here, but the chance that there's something good long term is imo worth it
<javierm>
yeah, agreed
<tzimmermann>
javierm, sort of. it would be acceptable if these cover letters would clearly state what they contain. i could then copy them into the actual PR. if there's been a public review of any of these patches, i'd like to have an indication of where to look
<sima>
plus with amd's accel driver there's now actual chance for cross-driver peer review, so I think it's time to start pushing for that
<sima>
it took a while to get the drm-misc review tit-for-tat economy for kms&render drivers going too, with quite some pain too
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<mlankhorst>
lumag: should be ok, or do you need an ack?
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<delusionalrabbit>
ouh you know something we do not know hah, i now represent my anus to you right, forget about it freaks, don't show your delusions around me i drop you otherwise, anus to your monkeys was offered by other trash ok? there is nothing to figure out about powers of two's, powers of two's have a floating carry, which infact is a genius stuff cause it stretches the spectrum apart to high
<delusionalrabbit>
amounts when those jigpuzzle gabbage disordered bits get ordered out by format, based of that carry the gaps are calculated , as i said the hardware is not magician to claim it knows before someone said or offered anything it is always correct observer, it calculates the carry based of whether you had 0 or 1 or 1 1 or 1 0 to start off with. but we can determine the operands in sw
<delusionalrabbit>
much different , with such high entropy carry, we can rely on the hardware and shortcut, by reducing the gaps to minimum distinguishable , hence to determine the operands we become the judge i.e sw becomes the judge who bases on the always correct observer but scales like drone it's information further, so hardware is criminal investigator sw is jury, where as hw works on bits or
<delusionalrabbit>
booleans sw works on digits. In other words, there is no need anything to determine what operands are, they are already known cause criminal investigator presented those evidences or the victim or observer whatever, so why would you need to process something that is always correct and pre-known, it's that tne encoding really does work, but as i am estonian who have no benefits to you
<delusionalrabbit>
of any kind , you just ignore the truth? The format though is not hypothetical, it's for real cause highest bit in means +1 more when all other bits are toggled, this arguably in surrounding math can only be achieved with so. Once again, the anus to your fuckers and trolls was brought by other trolls like you, laura, kadi-ann , qba and such scum in the world of science, they are porn
<delusionalrabbit>
related liquid shit producers, go directly to those when you need to cum into anus or vagina, here you get killed , and those people i do not negotiate nor communicate either. I said best and safe bet is nigerian other african or vikings cum with liquid shit there or some magpie like glorias gangster stories added. Sorry i do not need that, and that was in 2.5 years max as to what i
<delusionalrabbit>
got.
<delusionalrabbit>
it's no matter how you think, the system that i discovered was already discovered.
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<notmagiciannrone>
The values we do not keep in memory, even pocket calclulator has one memory button , yeah it's enough to get into super calculation. It was said several times, non-volatile memory does this, magnetism , later insulators which trap the charge etc. last in case of flash. mjt is something similar, so the hardware does not have to guess anymore, the number pair was preprocessed already ,
<notmagiciannrone>
and was stored in minified format. Really there is no other explanation to this. adders structure was in 10th systems before, but the real computing format was invented in powers of two's and they credit shannon for this. They had carry based calculators before in germany too, they were mechanical back then.
<notmagiciannrone>
digital format is work of americans.
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<jumperfromstar>
There were several aims at me, as to why to kill me, first was always that gene anomaly that made me more resistant to troubles, so those managed to design a dolly clone of me, its somatic nuclear transfer or this method for surrogate was developed in the 60s, those would produce very much the same people, my memories as well as anatomy is no longer needed, no one cared about my worth
<jumperfromstar>
as player, or engineer, or scientist, so i do whatever it takes to defend my life my own, when there is need to spam i will, where there is need to kill i at last resort will etc. when there is need to help people or animals in the same situation i probably will etc. it more or less feels always you are finding reasons to kill me for a whole lot other legal preliminary main reason
<jumperfromstar>
whuch you do not want to give out, but i already gave that out as to what cunts like you are illegally doing. My lines are non the less ready for major conflict, your lines including the fuckaces real deals from estonia are more like as dead as they were born as, fucking liquid shithoses.
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<thatswhyheissotough>
I did not drink others blood nor consumed others cells nor did any medical fraud. I was having a vacation in cambodia where those monsters trashed me every day. Police never deals with me or chases me, cause they know i am as pure soul as it gets. I have all that tech , i know it works, but i know i am under tap ordered by those same criminals like you, i can not really do world
<thatswhyheissotough>
that bad favour even if i am 5k in minus with my finances, i technically care about the world more than this debt. I am being surveillanced whatever i type they get. I do not want them to get this info, but want to live further in life, i care none about your procrastination info. I have that tech backed up by my brain and if you have that too, i believe you, then you must be as
<thatswhyheissotough>
good as i am, but bad guys like brainless worms, can not have such code. It really is super dangerous.You want evidence that i am under surveillance or what? all my life i have been, so if my partners work out the asylym and faraday cage needed, we can go on, but that chip in my neck is very capable it needs to be eliminated before.
<thatswhyheissotough>
i know that the bugs have been removed from that release, the last modern neck chip is very accurate.
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<DemiMarie>
Is one of the problems with accel the lack of cross-vendor userspace? I know that for at least some drives the open source userspace is not meant to actually be used, and what gets used in production is the blobby version.
<sima>
DemiMarie, that's part, but it's kinda way down the list of issues we need to start with
<sima>
just some collab in the kernel would be great to start I think
<DemiMarie>
sima: what is at the top?
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<sima>
DemiMarie, the next line about better collab in upstream kernel I think, that's probably the easiest place to start
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<sima>
mlankhorst, [PATCH 00/12] drm/{i915,xe}: Convert to DRM client setup <- maybe for you?
<sima>
tzimmermann, I didn't see a ivpu reply from you where I can double down?
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<mlankhorst>
sima: lets see
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<dogsnutsinhisthroat>
I am pretty sure that jack was in the same syndicate as my dad who all collectively ordered that chip of surveillance, and i know those british scumscout beheviour. They were very proud of their assault with cold weapon and an implant ordered. So we start burying jack then work out the model back to the bosses in egland and kill all of them very vulgarly and brutally. This all is
<dogsnutsinhisthroat>
as certain as death and taxes that such behaviour as well as acts against humanity illegally done is worth of death penalty and many of them, so we tortur too heavy with my partners.
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<wormoutofratthere>
there is definitely no spectrum loss of any kind tbh. You never lose any numbers, even for single value to be lifted to a number in 64bits ieee1164 has + adding operation, it only has 64voltages, but the order is different. counting them together in order would give the correct result, cause it needs a carry there too. in sw, but in my encoding the order no longer has relevance
<wormoutofratthere>
since we can use shorter sequence, because we know what the result is going to be. hw would do much much more just like flattening curved time and distance einsteins formula to subterms. It technically does not have to do it, but to avoid sea of bugs in code someone needs to do it, and someone needs to be always correct now that i thought again over this. Men i still see Mr Bean
<wormoutofratthere>
video how he opens a giftbox from a giftbox from a giftbox, i am going crazy. Why you would need to sum with higher entropy and sequence of bits, if you could determine the position of powernrX with lower bits too? Ask Mr Bean perhaps? I'd explain this in a way that entropy or so to speak unclearness or uncertainty of bit positions due to the carry or internal carry is chaotic
<wormoutofratthere>
otherwise but still deterministic, ask mr Bean!
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<noprecisionloss>
so i was offered a job at explaining, tech i do explain in certain ways , otherwise proper speechman properties i lack in fact, but to be fair, i do not know how to explain many things. but uncertainty as well as entropy is one to one terms of shannon informatics as i understood. It's very accurate i see in this context. that hw is built upon very high uncertainty or entropy to
<noprecisionloss>
process very big numbers very fast and with intention to have nested accesses or say more compact nested execution ways and storage ways, that we at least i figured out . Now you can work on your vulkan drivers if you do not have generators for this, but Lynne no anyone can not come to blame me, cause i tried to help you to avoid the trash you do to me all the time but i want to avoid
<noprecisionloss>
bigger chaos as like when african negros try to say we slaved them and those arabic silly as well as lazy ones start to murder us with the help of united nation moneys etc. I just wanted to give you some peace of soul that you would not terrorise me, as to that actually this stuff is so easy, men and women and animals and stuff , i can not forward the code on the air for safety, i did
<noprecisionloss>
too much already, i leaked so much that trump and elon are mad at me.
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<fufexan>
Hi! I'm trying to run Hyprland headless in a QEMU VM with only /dev/dri/card0. By default, Hyprland scans /dev/dri for a card to render on, but I'm not sure the card it finds works as an accelerated 3D renderer. I get the following message in journalctl when I try to run Hyprland, and I'm wondering if it hints at an issue: `libEGL warning: Not allowed to force software rendering when API explicitly selects a hardware device.`
<fufexan>
FWIW, I've already set `LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1`, hoping it would help.
<fufexan>
Oh and Hyprland crashes. Not sure what else to try or if my setup is wrong. Would appreciate any help.
<soreau>
I think if there's no render node, you have to use some buffer creation other than the usuals, like udmabuf
<soreau>
wlroots recently has the bits needed for a udmabuf allocator and it can be used to run e.g. wayfire headless without a render node, while the compositor uses (gles) llvmpipe software rendering
<fufexan>
oh, interesting. so I guess there's no way to fake a card using llvmpipe? (apologies if I've just said an atrocity, still learning about how llvmpipe compares to physical cards)
<fufexan>
also /dev/dri/renderD128 does exist (along with card0)
<soreau>
I think vgem exists but YMMV
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<illmanatwork>
Someone who proposes such filesystem to the publics must be a mad cripple, or half dead, which is exactly the case with me, maybe even one of the stupidest guy ever lived or hardest personality at the same time, which likely i am not, I am just most abused human in the world. You wondered if i am sick even? oi oi how sick they made me to be. But logically taken all netflix and such
<illmanatwork>
companies have this, however no one is as mad to propse this for the wild to everyone. So i deserve my destiny if i get knocked out of life in one way but i ain't gonan do it my own, since they never gave me proper medical help even though they cracked me up at their will playing gods.
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