ChanServ changed the topic of #dri-devel to: <ajax> nothing involved with X should ever be unable to find a bar
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<anarsoul> zamundaaa: you forgot to update source hash for wayland protocols in !32038
<anarsoul> it breaks mesa build on archlinux arm: https://gist.github.com/anarsoul/c304c5c05faf1a93eeffb9db2ec3f6ae
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<Kangie> Hi all, where's the best place to ask someone to approve a CI run on a mesa MR? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/33725 for reference.
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<mattst88> Kangie: file an issue in https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/ and request fork/CI permissions
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<Kangie> thanks, done. I should have bit the bullet and requested it yesterday.
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<uriah> Kangie: btw, i have a small edit to the mesa ebuild incoming
<uriah> tested today
<uriah> it'll be hopefully pushed to my repo tonight
<uriah> digetx: thanks again, working smoothly now
<uriah> just wondering too though... i still use my haswell hardware... your MR mentions it only works with TigerLake+ GPUs... is it still the case?
<uriah> if so, i don't really have time for a while to try porting to haswell, but if you added changes that would help, i'd be willing to test
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<uriah> oh wait, maybe i can just try setting INTEL_VIRTIO_SKIP_HW_VERSION_CHECK to true in mesa like you suggested?
<Kangie> Excellent
<uriah> Kangie: yeah really happy with results
<uriah> oh btw
<uriah> i'm on the oftc-matrix bridge, do highlights show up messed up?
<uriah> sorry if that's the case
<Kangie> No, it all seems fine here.
<uriah> good.
<uriah> i can finally tab complete
<uriah> might've just been on ios element
<uriah> whew
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<tzimmermann> javierm, sima, after our recent discussion, i went through all the DRM code and resolved the easy cases where it touches dma-buf import_attach fields. resolving that would hide much of the implementation in prime helpers. for starters, i'd post the core changes plus some simple drivers for review. ok?
<javierm> tzimmermann: great
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<daniels> alyssa: if I'm reading it right, n_tiles_h == n_tiles_v, or 2*n_tiles_v?
<daniels> alyssa: so 1920x1080 ARGB8888 would be 32 horizontal tiles (30 used, 2 to round to pot) x 32 vertical tiles (17 used, 15 to round to n_tiles_h since it can't be n_tiles_h/2 == 16)?
<tzimmermann> removing the dma device from the dma-buf import is currently not realistic though
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<zamundaaa[m]> anarsoul: oops, sorry
<zamundaaa[m]> Looks like someone else is taking care of that already
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<digetx> uriah: haswell uses crocus driver, while virtio is only hooked up to the iris driver in mesa; supporting crocus should be doable in general, but it's not a priority; so haswell won't work with nctx today, maybe later
<uriah> ok i see, thanks for the info
<uriah> INTEL_VIRTIO_SKIP_HW_VERSION_CHECK is therefore irrelevant to my hardware eh?
<digetx> yes
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<uriah> alright
<uriah> well, i have other newer hardware i can test on, i'll let you know
<digetx> cool
<uriah> circa 2017
<uriah> how about blob support in haswell, for vaapi?
<uriah> does some of it work, or not really yet?
<uriah> i'll be patient if not :)
<digetx> vaapi is managed by a separate media driver and is not supported, I haven't touched it in nctx
<uriah> oh ok
<uriah> i think i remember this from september yeah ok
<digetx> vaapi may work with amd nctx, though never tried to test it
<uriah> vaapi works yes
<uriah> it is part of mesa
<uriah> just regular libva
<uriah> for amdgpu i mean
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<uriah> i guess for the haswell setup i'll just use vaapi in bare metal linux
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<uriah> digetx: you'll probably work on xe before crocus, right?
<uriah> since it's newer hardware
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<digetx> yes
<uriah> alright
<uriah> well if i find time, i'll maybe give crocus a shot
<uriah> would be a fun way of improving my knowledge, but no guarantees
<uriah> obviously, there are fewer and fewer crocus users out there nowadays
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<tursulin> mripard: sounds reasonable - acked on the ml
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<mripard> tursulin: thanks :)
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<alyssa> daniels: for which modifier?
<alyssa> for GPU tiled: ARGB8888 is 4 bytes per pixel so 64x64 tiles to fill the 16K page
<alyssa> so round to 64x64: 1920x1088
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<alyssa> so 30x17 tiles
<alyssa> for twiddled: the whole thing rounds up to 2048x2048 and is effectively one big 2048x2048 tile (fully interleaved bits). yeah, you probably shouldn't use twiddled ;P
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<alyssa> rounding to power-of-twos only happens for twiddled and for the compression metadata
<alyssa> the body buffer of gpu-tiled is rounded only to tile size
<alyssa> (except when the gpu-tiled image is smaller than a page-size tile, i.e. smaller than 64x64 for rgba8)
<alyssa> (this lets us pack multiple mip levels together into a single page)
<daniels> alyssa: sorry yeah, that was GPU-tiled
<daniels> alyssa: fwiw, my misreading came from 'for large images, n x n or 2n x n tiles are used (n power-of-two)'
<daniels> maybe 'for large images, the tile size must be ...'
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<alyssa> ah I see. yeah, I can reword that
<alyssa> i feel like we need a ranking of vendors by insanity of their tilings
<alyssa> like, Arm < Apple < .... <<< AMD
<daniels> the final frontier of accessibility: making your docs readable for people who have lost the ability to think / will to live from writing CTS
<alyssa> heh
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<alyssa> might be clearer just to give the table first
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<alyssa> and then as a non-normative remark explain where the #s came from
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<alyssa> (after)
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<fomys> Hi, I have an issue while applying this patch: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250218101214.5790-4-jose.exposito89@gmail.com/, how should the trailers look like?
<fomys> If I let dim do its stuff, it removes the Signed-off-by after the Co-developped by, which makes checkpatch not happy
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<fomys> If I put the SoB twice (after Co-dev-by and last), checkpatch is also not happy
<fomys> Should I remove the Co-dev-by?
<daniels> alyssa: yeah, I like that
<alyssa> :+1;
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<alyssa> daniels: if you're wondering how that explanation got the way it is, it's because I wrote before dropping out of math ;)
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<ccr> "math - not even once"
<mairacanal> mripard, i also acked in the ml - thanks for documenting this
<mripard> mairacanal: you're welcome, thanks for the review
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<eric_engestrom> cmarcelo: next step is merging, which I just did; thanks again for the MR!
<eric_engestrom> cmarcelo: to be picked up in mesa, this will need 1) a deqp-runner release (anyone can push a git tag but I think emma & faith are the only ones with the creds to publish it), and 2) bump the version in the $mesa/.gitlab-ci/container/build-deqp-runner.sh
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<alyssa> daniels: "Plus would apply pretty obviously to compression." could you elaborate?
<alyssa> dumb "dump and copy" isn't going to work with compression unless we set the stride to something really wonky
<stsquad> digetx I'm still trying to see why you have VK_KHR_display available to your guests and I'm confused as virglrenderer doesn't list it in _vn_info_extensions
<alyssa> (I think we did this with AFBC at one point but I'm not convinced it's a good idea. and at least the "pretend it's LINEAR" convention I have now seems to work with every compositor I've tried so I'm hesitant to mess with it.)
<daniels> alyssa: stride of compression == 8 * (ROUND_UP(w, 16) / 16)?
<stsquad> digetx: should I expect to see something like a19f5c49 * vkr: support VK_KHR_maintenance6 - with the entry added and a dispatcher to map from guest to backend?
<alyssa> daniels: at the DRM level it's not planar
<daniels> alyssa: _raises ten eyebrows_
<alyssa> I just copied how AFBC works :p
<daniels> AFBC is more naturally interleaved though, rather than cbuf followed by metadata buf - that's much more like CCS/DCC which do use aux planes for the separate compression data
<daniels> that helps future-you because you can explicitly specify the offset rather than 'by convention, ...'
<alyssa> hmm, ok.
<daniels> (I mean, just pass the same BO rather than have them live in separate allocations, but you can pass the offset separately)
<alyssa> right, ok.
<daniels> ty :)
<alyssa> the "By convention" here is "match exactly what the vendor driver does (and we have exhaustive unit testing to confirm that), just in case"
<alyssa> theoretically we can do otherwise...? But I've never tried and the prop driver doesn't and there's no use case that I know of for it so I can see it breaking in fun ways on current/future hw
<daniels> oh yeah, for sure
<alyssa> although maybe that's ok and we end up growing a second set of modifiers then..? IDK
<daniels> it's just trading one implicit API (cbuf + 128B align) for a more explicit API
<daniels> and given what you said about the display format being renderable but not sampleable, I'm not sure I trust them to retain sensibility in future :P
<alyssa> yeah, for sure
<alyssa> is switching to 2 DRM planes, but nevertheless requiring that the allocations are back-to-back (+128b align) sane?
<alyssa> can't tell if this is the best or the worst compromise here :p
<alyssa> (I guess it's not relevant if Mesa is the only producer and Mesa internally has this as contract. But..)
<daniels> yeah, that's a totally reasonable constraint, and you can reject import if it fails
<alyssa> ack. I'll type that out and see what blows up then, thanks :)
<daniels> np!
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<jannau> mripard: Hej, alyssa notified me. we can chat here as well
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<cmarcelo> eric_engestrom: thanks eric. ok good to know, ill ping them once the tests are (nearly) made public.
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<mripard> jannau: hi! so yeah, I might have access to an M2 macbook and wanted to know if you needed help with the KMS driver, basically :)
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<jannau> mripard: alyssa told me. Help would be welcome. The driver we eventually want to upstream doesn't exists yet except for stubs. I want to develop a rust rewrite of our current driver upstream starting from the most simple form. Starting with a stub driver without DRM to provide an user for rust abstractions
<jannau> those abstraction are partly shared with the GPU driver
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<jannau> dt-bindings are one part where I'd love to have to discuss the design. The display system on the machines is complex and powerful but due to the firmware based display controller it differs quite a bit from other DT based hardware
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<mripard> it might be a stupid question, but afaiu most of the complexity comes from the firmware interface, and that's why you want rust. Would you have an easier time creating some kind of library in Rust, that would be usable to C drivers? That way you both get an easier time to upstream it, but also the safety Rust provides?
<mripard> and yeah, I can definitely help with bindings as well
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<sima> mripard, panthor folks seem to have concluded that the library approach is too much pain, everyone else didn't even try
<sima> but yeah I tossed that option in too, just doesn't seem to work that well
<alyssa> also, we already have rust GPU driver that needs to get upstreamed as rust
<alyssa> and once that's upstream, together with Lyude's KMS bindings upstreamed
<alyssa> well, there's hopefully not much left needed extra for a pure rust KMS
<mripard> it looks like dp-alt is (was?) a concern and had a lot of impedance mismatch with the rest of the kernel already
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<mripard> I guess my concern was that throwing Rust into the mix would create more mismatch
<mripard> but yeah, anyway, I guess the takeaway is I can help with the bindings if needed :) Any binding you want help with in particular?
<jannau> dp-alt is 90% done (remaining 90% are suspend fixes and cleanup) and is except for the kms driver in C anyway
<daniels> sima: I think a self-contained leaf which only took a state and serialised it into firmware RPC, plus parsing firmware RPC and serialising it to more tractable small events, would be way less friction than what Panthor/Ranthoriirrrrrr attempted
<sima> daniels, yeah probably
<sima> daniels, but then you're stuck with the same issue as panthorriir if you want to go further
<jannau> the usb3 and usb-pd/port controll driver exists and there's little benefit in implementing the phy drivers in rust so they are C as well
<sima> alyssa, jannau I guess only if you have more needs than rkms, so dp or hdmi helpers probably, drm_bridge maybe (but I'd be surprised if you need that)
<mripard> daniels: is that the new name? Ranthoriirrrrrr is pretty inconvenient to use. Like, how many r does it have?!
<jannau> the two main interactions between between kms and the firmware are page_flip/modeset and getting the list of supported modes from the firmware
<jannau> more than strawberry
<daniels> mripard: I only ever called it that to troll them into getting a better name, so they discontinued the entire project and replaced it with one with a three-letter name
<mripard> daniels: good job, congrats :)
<alyssa> the old name adds extra R's every day
<daniels> thanks, one of my proudest achievements
<alyssa> the new name switches between "tear" and "tyre" every day
<mripard> daniels: I think I would have called it daniel
<alyssa> preserve the tradition of date-dependent names
<daniels> alyssa: Rewrite it in Rust! Rust! Rust! Rust!
<daniels> alyssa: tyr is pronounced with a soft g
<daniels> mripard: <3
<alyssa> daniels: what about the p? is it silent?
<daniels> depends whether or not you're subscribed to the enterprise edition
<alyssa> ah yea
<jannau> with those two interaction points it using a rust library might be a working solution but the goal is explicitly to have a user to upstream rust bindings needed by the 20k gpu rust driver
<alyssa> silent for fedora, pronounced for rhel
<jannau> planned after seeing nova-core
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<digetx> stsquad: have you checked the extension presence with archlinux rootfs? are you using intel or amd card?
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<stsquad> digetx was that on your gist?
<stsquad> digetx: currently I'm testing with an aarch64 buildroot image for venus=on
<stsquad> digetx: or is this just an archlinux x86 install?
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<stsquad> currently intel backend
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<stsquad> digetx: x86, archlinux rootfs, no VK_KHR_display reported ^
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<Company> how stupid is the idea of using Vulkan raytracing for rendering GUIs?
* Ermine . o O (GTK with RTX off/GTK with RTX on)
<daniels> Company: yes
<Company> yeah, essentially - we have a CommandList and I could translate that into an acceleration structure instead of into draw commands
<daniels> you could!
<daniels> but you shouldn’t
<airlied> sounds like a great summer of code project :-P
<Company> yeah, that's ultimately the idea
<Company> I could use it to finally learn how raytracing works
<Company> but if it's so stupid that I end up with 3fps then it's not really worth it
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<airlied> I think it might be 3fps but worth burning a student learning something new on
<Sachiel> should be great for screen mirroring and realistic window shadows
<Company> yeah, that's the other thing - once you have built it, you can also figure out fun things to do with it
<Company> also, I'd have a reason to buy one of these new GPUs
<airlied> lavapipe can raytrace :)
<Company> but then I'm at 0.03fps instead of 3fps
<karolherbst> smh, just use NPUs to predict the result or something
<airlied> yeah build a model of every rendering of a desktop ever
<airlied> and guess what the next frame is
<airlied> you fund a large startup instead of one gsoc student
<Company> I could just use nvidia's framegen stuff
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<anarsoul> mareko: are you around?
<anarsoul> it hurts lima badly in several ways
<anarsoul> the most important one for varyings that are used for sampler coordinates
<anarsoul> for 2d sampler if it's not in .xy or in .zw it requires an extra mov which is an extra instruction and in addition to that it drops coordinate precision to fp16
<anarsoul> so it's not only 25% performance drop e.g. in glmark2 -b texture, but also breaks textures with dimensions > 1024
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<anarsoul> and in general, lima (or rather Mali Utgard) doesn't like arbitrary packing of varyings due to ISA restrictions. Basically it cannot load vec2 varying from .yz or vec3 from .yzw, it requires an extra mov (and an extra instruction)
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<anarsoul> I'm not really sure how to fix it