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weston Merge request !780 closed (desktop-shell: Don't activate child shsurf w/o a weston_desktop_surface)
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swick, is CTA-861-H a new revision of CTA-861-G? Maybe it's CTA-861-G with the errata integrated.
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new revision
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swick >
CTA-861-H supersedes CTA-861-G and incorporates the Errata issued in September and
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swick >
November 2017 and July 2018, as well as the CTA-861.4 Updates to Dynamic HDR Metadata
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Signaling of March 2019 and CTA-861.5 Audio Format Extensions of September 2018.
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swick, thanks, I'm getting that now
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can a wayland protocol define a struct with given fields?
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i have an event that returns data under a certain layout, but i find the "take this wl_array and cast it" a bit shady
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no, that's not possible
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emersion >
best you can do is describe the fields in plain-text
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and add a document with the C struct
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well, either that or just serialise into native-typed args
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yeah, if you can just use multiple args, that's better
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if you're passing through stuff which doesn't correlate to that, it's generally a sign that you're using Wayland as a general-purpose socket rather than a window system
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usually arrays of structs are represented as multiple events at the protocol level
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emersion >
one event per array entry
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emersion >
one "done" event to end the list
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eyes off the 10-year old 'struct' branch in ~/wayland/wayland/
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isnt it better to send it in bulk?
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oh this was a thing?
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like if I have an array of N vec3
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emersion: I suggested it, krh told me to delete it
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bl4ckb0ne: heh, poses or something?
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right in
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XrPose, a vec3 and a quat
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so 3 floats, and 4 floats respectively
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fun ... I can't think of much good to add to that, but otoh given that the pose isn't going to be described in any kind of relevant co-ord space (i.e. it's not tied to surface/etc), then you might be better off with an event that just sends an fd, and pushing the poses down there?
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under some cases there could be up to 50 objects, thats why I'm not too fond of sending them one by one with an end
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but I can split it in 2 args and give a size
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bl4ckb0ne, if you are going to send floats or doubles, you'd probably use a wl_array in any case if that's going through Wayland.
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my point was more about if it's better to send them in a single array, or one array per field
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because we have neither in the protocol, and while float could be added, double cannot as it would break library ABI on 32-bit arch.
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and let the client reconstruct the data
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im lucky, data is in float
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bl4ckb0ne: yeah, if you're sending 50 poses in one go, and they're not fundamentally tied to the winsys, that's a really good prompt to use a separate channel
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especially given that they need to be as low-latency as possible
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so one array per field gotcha
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50 objects?? No, do not push that through Wayland.
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well, it's more 25 per interface, and there could be up to 2 interfaces
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it doesn't matter if it's one message or 50, it's too much - in fact, 50 messages would be better, because messages have a size limit
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wouldnt that be too slow?
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i know there will always be a predefined amount of data
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speed doesn't matter, if you can't send the big message at all
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pq >
but yeah, my suggestion is to not push this data inline via Wayland at all, it sounds too much.
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pq >
if you still need it synchronized with the window system messages, invent something with shared memory maybe
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pq >
if it doesn't care about window system messages at all, except maybe for initial setup, then a completely separate socket and/or shared memory protocol might be better
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ty for the feedback
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im not there yet but i see the issue
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yeah, one good way if you need the winsys to bootstrap is to send a message with an fd, which is one end of a pipe
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it would be use as an input device, so kinda tied to the window system
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bl4ckb0ne >
well ish because i have 3d windows as well :D
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the only reason keyboard/pointer/touch input are tied to the winsys is because all of them have focus driven by the winsys, keep global state (modifiers, mouse buttons, etc), and also need to be correlated back to winsys co-ords
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yeah its a mess
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but if you're sending poses relevant to physical space, then there's no tie really
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