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<pq> ManMower, daniels, mvlad, FYI, removal of zoom broke weston_output ABI, so a libweston major bump is needed.
<emersion> good catch
<pq> we still have so much stuff in include/libweston/libweston.h that avoiding ABI breaks would be a miracle.
<emersion> imho it's a bit normal for a compositor lib
<emersion> the API surface is just so large
<pq> anything that changes in include/libweston/ is likely an ABI break
<pq> yes, it is
<emersion> in wlroots, we have a changelog of all ABI breaks, with suggested compositor updates
<emersion> i guess there aren't that many libweston compositors, so maybe not worth the trouble for libweston
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<pq> that sounds very very useful and considerate toward your users, cool
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<pq> maybe, or maybe they just don't make noises, hard to tell
<pq> probably a bit of both
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<wlb> weston Merge request !786 opened by () meson.build: Bump libweston major version https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/786
<wlb> weston/main: Marius Vlad * meson.build: Bump libweston major version https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/73b17da7d55e meson.build
<wlb> weston Merge request !786 merged \o/ (meson.build: Bump libweston major version https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/786)
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<daniels> pq: good catch, thanks for that
<pq> np - it's almost routine for me to check that
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<daniels> team work makes the dream work
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<Wulf> Hello!
<Wulf> Let's say I've got a VM running on my desktop machine. How can I display a graphical application that runs inside the VM?
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<kennylevinsen> Wulf: if you mean akin to x-forwarding, then either waypipe or, well, x-forwarding for X apps.
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<kennylevinsen> (waypipe is way better than x forwarding though)
<Wulf> kennylevinsen: never heard of waypipe. I'll take a look at it, thanks!
<Wulf> kennylevinsen: do I need waypipe on the machine that runs the application?
<kennylevinsen> on both sides - there's a part on the "host" which talks over SSH to a "guest" waypipe instance
<Wulf> waypipe is only available in debian 12 and newer :(
<kennylevinsen> you can just build it - see the link for instructions
<Wulf> kennylevinsen: On it. Looks like debian 11 got all build depends from the package
<Wulf> "weston-terminal" appears to work. Let's try supertux.
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<pq> Alternatively, I would expect your VM to have a virtual display device and an application in the host OS to view that output. I.e. nothing to do with Wayland.
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<pq> You're going to need a virtual GPU in the guest anyway, if you intend to use a GPU at all for the guest apps.
<Wulf> pq: I'm thinking about setting up firecracker, or perhaps using a VM that runs on a remote system.
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<pq> Running a Wayland compositor acting as an RDP or VCN server in the guest is yet another option.
<pq> *VNC
<Wulf> pq: will this allow me to display applications on its own, or only a complete screen with a desktop environment?
<pq> mostly the latter, which is nice if you intend to have the apps keep on running even after you disconnect
<pq> if you don't, then waypipe may be more appropriate
<Wulf> I'm collecting options, not sure yet what exactly I'll want.
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<Wulf> may waypipe client got access to my clipboard. (How) can I disable clipboard access? Might be a security requirement.
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<emersion> waypipe only has clipboard access when the remote window is focused
<emersion> just like any other wayland client
<Wulf> emersion: not true. I'm running `wl-paste` in a loop inside the remote window. It's not focussed, but still gets the new content that I copy elsewhere.
<emersion> it';s using a special clipboard management protocol
<Wulf> I think it switches the currently focussed window.
<emersion> ah, then it uses a hack: many compositors (wrongly) allow new windows to steal clipboard contents
<emersion> that's a bug
<pq> or maybe it just fakes the input serials, but letting that work is also a compositor bug
<emersion> it doesn't, but could
<pq> maybe it did in the past...
<emersion> (the hack is used when the clipboard management protocol is unavailable)
<emersion> in the past?
<pq> I remember looking at something like wl-paste in horror a few years back
<emersion> i don't recall wl-copy doing that, but maybe there are other hacky tools in the wild
<pq> yeah, maybe it was another one
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<wlb> wayland Issue #275 opened by () Check for presence of xlibs patch in xwayland https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/275
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<wlb> wayland Issue #275 closed \o/ (Check for presence of xlibs patch in xwayland https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/275)
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<daniels> robertmader[m]: I promise your subsurface-mapping patch is next on my list - it was supposed to be today but _someone_ nerdsniped me with Wayland EGL :P
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<robert_mader> Hehe sure :) Another single line change quiz to stare at once your brain got some well deserved rest!
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<wlb> wayland Issue #276 opened by () Attaching wl_data_source multiple times concurrently https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/276
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<wlb> weston Merge request !787 opened by () meson.build: Fix -Dbackend-default=auto following fbdev deprecation https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/787
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