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<daniels>
emersion: it looks like we should really do a 10.0.1; should we schedule it for March 1st perhaps?
<daniels>
emersion: oh, and we'll need to do Wayland 1.20.1 too ...
<emersion>
hm right
<emersion>
yeah, March 1st gives enough legroom to do reviews
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<pq>
what's the policy for wayland and weston (may differ) stable branches, how long do we need the patches soaking in main before you can cut a release with them from stable?
<pq>
or is that simply not useful, because no-one runs main anyway?
<emersion>
at some point i forgot to upload an RC tarball
<emersion>
and nobody complained
<emersion>
(fixed it a few days later)
<emersion>
i wonder if the alpha/beta are really useful
<emersion>
for sway i just do RCs
<daniels>
haha
<daniels>
I think beta is definitely useful, not sure if alpha is
<emersion>
i think alpha/beta are useful in the sense that it urges developers to finish their pending MRs by the time RC1 hits
<emersion>
but not sure it's better than just having a date pinned
<daniels>
yeah
<emersion>
but yeah, if we end up with RC1/RC2/RC3/final instead of beta/RC1/RC2/final, not that useful to drop it
<emersion>
i guess the real useful thing to be done is better automate releases
<daniels>
I don't have a good feel for what people do(n't) end up using
<daniels>
yeah, which bits would you like to automate more? I think I'd like to see tarballs produced as a pipeline artifact when a tag is pushed
<emersion>
my main pain point is the wayland.fdo repo
<emersion>
using gitlab releases would make things easier
<pq>
I kind of like the names "alpha", "beta", and "rc", because we have the rules about the kind of patches than can land at each phase. Those names are easier to remember than "rc1" vs. "rc2".
<pq>
If we simplify the rules to be just before/after rc1, then we wouldn't need alpha/beta names.
<emersion>
well, i think it's important to only land bugfixes after RC1
<emersion>
… with some slack
<pq>
that's the rule we need at minimum IMO too
<daniels>
emersion: yeah totally, let's fix that then - I can explore what we'd need to do to be able to redirect
<emersion>
daniels, we don't necessarily need to redirect
<emersion>
old releases can stay on wayland.fdo, new releases in gitlab
<emersion>
daniels, for artifacts i'm unsure. the PGP signature would be less useful
<daniels>
how useful is PGP rn?
<emersion>
if gitlab is compromised, my tarballs can't easily be
<daniels>
good point
<emersion>
i *think* `git archive` tarballs should be reproducible
<emersion>
but anyways, using the gitlab CLI to upload the tarball isn't too difficult
<emersion>
all i need is figure out how to do the invocation + patch xorg util modular
<emersion>
maybe could stop using xorg-util-modular too…
<daniels>
srs.
<emersion>
because we really need a 1k LoC bash script to run 4-5 commands
<daniels>
yeah ...
<daniels>
which idiot even wrote that script
* emersion
git log
<emersion>
ahah
<emersion>
2007 is a long time ago
<emersion>
also it was 70 LoC at the time
<emersion>
also had cute error messages
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<daniels>
a simpler time
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