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<pq>
dottedmag, there is no "connection setup time" in Wayland. Where is that wording?
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<sillyslux>
i want to write a program that can spy on the desktop, afaik wayland has secured this issue in x11. is there a way to work around? like plugins for specific windowmanagers?
<emersion>
what do you want to do exactly?
<sillyslux>
i want to retrieve the applications name and window dimensions
<sillyslux>
maybe even pass through keyboard input
<emersion>
what's your use-case?
<emersion>
why do you need to do this?
<sillyslux>
i have an electron app that shows keyboard shortcuts
<sillyslux>
works nice with x11
<sillyslux>
my app covers the actual window and shows keyboard shortcuts from a db
<sillyslux>
per app and pass through is super nice too
<sillyslux>
it hides my widget app and the shortcut is executed in the application
<emersion>
that sounds pretty complicated to implement in wayland
<sillyslux>
would be nice if i were able to port it to wayland, for obvious reasons
<sillyslux>
complicated is better than impossible
<emersion>
complicated as in, none of the required protocols exist yet, and not sure compositor would agree to let clients do this
<sillyslux>
at least name, pos and size detection i really want to have
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<pq>
you'd also want to position your hints window...
<sillyslux>
so compositor would need to have a pluginsystem?
<sillyslux>
like sway or so?
<emersion>
getting the position won't let you create overlays
<emersion>
sway doesn't have a plugin system
<sillyslux>
gnome has switched to wayland, at least with gnome it should be possible
<emersion>
as a gnome extension maybe
<jadahl>
the only way to implement that in gnome is by creating a gnome-shell extension
<emersion>
but then wayland wouldn't be involved
<sillyslux>
i've found looking glass, which offers a lot of js functions
<jadahl>
indeed, it'd work in exactly the same way on an x11 session and a wayland session
<sillyslux>
i fear there's no way to porting what i have right now
<sillyslux>
too bad... ty
<pq>
maybe the idea would go under the accessibility umbrella? An assistant for using applications?
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<sillyslux>
ah, i thought i'd try my app on the ubuntu laptop now, but no joy :(
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<swick>
tbh an overlay surface role would be pretty neat
<swick>
I *really* hate that some apps inject code in other processes to draw some crap on top
<sillyslux>
i'm aware of the terrible abuses that can happen with it
<swick>
oh yeah, such a role must only be created with user consent
<swick>
but still…
<sillyslux>
i didn't draw into other applications, though
<sillyslux>
just putting my window on top of it
<pq>
I suspect that is a reference to Steam :-)
<sillyslux>
not from me, i don't know steam
<swick>
it's not just steam but yes, also steam :)