17:15 <clover[m]> thinkpad just got support for Lenovo Power Management Driver, whatever that means

17:20 <steev> i'll check it out

17:20 <steev> bamse: mani_s: looks like the debian package for pd-mapper is called power-domain-mapper

17:23 <mani_s> steev, ah, may i know who is maintaining it?

17:23 <steev> Maintainer: DebianOnMobile Maintainers <debian-on-mobile-maintainers@alioth-lists.debian.net>

17:23 <steev> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/protection-domain-mapper

17:24 <clover[m]> hoping it gives better battery life, at least in windows

17:24 <steev> https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=protection-domain-mapper - renamed due to pure data namespace? i guess

17:25 <mani_s> hmm

17:25 <mani_s> I think bamse brought this out some time before

17:30 <steev> if there is one thing i avoid... its the bike shedding in debian

17:44 <clover[m]> Bike shedding?

17:48 <szclsya[m]> <clover[m]> "hoping it gives better battery..." <- from my experience the battery life is excellent in windows. I'm guessing there're some uninitialized hardware consuming power on linux?

17:48 <szclsya[m]> (also all the compositing has to be done in software, which drains power too

18:04 <Lucanis> alright

18:04 <Lucanis> I sourced one of these

18:04 <Lucanis> https://elinux.org/ARM_RealView

18:05 <Lucanis> would generic arm debian boot this?

18:05 <Lucanis> are the realveiws still in the kernel?

18:12 <robclark> with arm7 or arm9 or something like that? That is pretty ancient..

18:15 <Lucanis> robclark: not a huge issue as long as its still in the kernel

18:15 <Lucanis> i just want to see if I can get an OS on it, tbh

18:15 <Lucanis> its not going to be building anything

18:18 <robclark> no, I mean _really_ ancient.. does debian even support anything that old?

18:18 <steev> clover[m]: The act of wasting time on trivial details while important matters are inadequately attended is sometimes known as bikeshedding. That term originates from Parkinson's observation of a committee organized to approve plans for a nuclear power plant. As Parkinson noted, the committee devoted a disproportionate amount of time to relatively unimportant details -- such as the materials for a bicycle storage shed -- which limited

18:18 <steev> the time available to focus on the design of the nuclear plant.

18:19 <steev> i use the term, as more of a "spending more time talking about the details rather than doing work"

18:22 <clover[m]> ok, thanks

18:25 <steev> well, crud

18:26 <steev> i should have known windows update would overwrite the bootloader settings

19:18 <Lucanis> robclark: I dont see why it shouldnt.

19:19 <Lucanis> It supports armhf and armel

19:45 <robclark> Lucanis: hmm https://wiki.debian.org/ArmPorts the eabi port supports as far back as armv4t so you might be in luck with that.. armhf looks to need armv7 so you are outta luck there

19:46 <robclark> oh, nm, https://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort says buster dropped armv4t, so you are probably out of luck depending on which arm7 or arm9

19:47 <robclark> well, maybe newer arm7/arm9 are armv5t

21:38 <steev> hmmm

21:57 <steev> good news, i wiped out my thinkpad's install because i'm an idiot

22:07 <szclsya[m]> oops...

22:08 <steev> just means i get to start over fresh

22:09 <steev> luckily i push just about everything to some git somewhere :D

23:38 <clover[m]> How did you manage that??