14:29 <Caterpillar> any updates on EL2 support for Thinkpad X13s?

14:30 <HdkR> Never gonna happen

14:30 <Caterpillar> HdkR: source of this info?

14:30 <Dantheman825[m]> what's EL2 again?

14:31 <Caterpillar> Dantheman825[m]: https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0488/d/programmers-model/armv8-architecture-concepts/exception-levels

14:31 <HdkR> Caterpillar: Qualcomm is pushing Gunyah instead. Which may or may not eventually work on X13s

14:31 <Caterpillar> it's needed for virtualization

14:31 <Dantheman825[m]> ah

14:32 <Dantheman825[m]> right, vms don't quite work on a lot of Snapdragons

14:33 <Caterpillar> Dantheman825[m]: and meanwhile we have a fully supported Fedora for Apple Silicon with fully working virtualization https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-fedora-asahi-remix-39 which is hilarius since Thinkpad historically were the laptops with better Linux support

16:38 <dgilmore> Jasper[m]: while on boot I am getting random mac addresses, NetworkManager is setting stable per Network MAC addresses here

18:08 <robclark> Caterpillar: tbf if you are only looking at delta from upstream kernel, I think x13s does have better linux support. EL2 isn't strictly needed for virtualization (think xen vs kvm style virt.. what qc[1] gunyah stuff is more like xen) [1] note, qc chromebooks do boot in el2

18:32 <Caterpillar> robclark: I had the X13s till a few months ago when I decided to sell it. Its Linux support was not even comparable to the one that Asahi Linux provides to Apple Silicon

18:32 <Caterpillar> and there was no way to start a VM

18:33 <robclark> you're comparing essentially a vendor kernel to mainline