04:15 <travmurav[m]> hexdump0815: Oh, amazing, thanks! At a first glance they do indeed look software compatible as I hoped so that's nice to see, acpi also knows its purwa but seems like some fields there are filled at runtime so perhaps that one is too and base acpi is the same, which would be ideal

15:59 <SouthernPenguin> Any reason people are not building/sharing torrents of Isos built for the diffrent laptops ? I dont mind buildign one or two isos if the project is able/willing to host a library of the torrent seeds.

16:02 <travmurav[m]> but there are some prebuilt images people host

16:09 <SouthernPenguin> Is there a directory somewhere that lists them ?

16:09 <Nios34[m]> Maybe add web url to torrent so seeding won't be a problem.

16:10 <travmurav[m]> I'm not sure if anyone tried to compile the links together, people usually just share updates here

16:10 <Nios34[m]> It might be possible to make one with CI tho

16:11 <Nios34[m]> Maybe need binfmt or a native host in that case

16:13 <SouthernPenguin> That is allot to consider and also brings distrobution issues. If people just submit "Hey this seed is version 1.2.3 ubuntu for a XXX machine .iso" and they are kept in a list somewhere, that is easy to impliment and lowers the barrier to entry for people who want to first try on arm.

16:17 <travmurav[m]> well i.e. @ pmOS we build experimental images which are generated every ~3 days and include recent linux-next + dtbloader but this is quite a bleeding edge thing so it's not that advertised but I believe others write more proper instructions and prepare images that are intended to be a bit more stable and tested

16:17 <Nios34[m]> hexdump's imagebuilder does this iirc

16:17 <travmurav[m]> I guess there just wasn't anyone to step up to write everything down

16:19 <Nios34[m]> But if it's possible for the devices running on a single kernel, It's possible to have them altogether 🤔

16:20 <Nios34[m]> Make an installer with a long grub menu and make it like the old aarch64-laptops image

16:20 <travmurav[m]> well, for pmOS I keep dtbloader updated so devices that were submitted to me detected automatically

16:20 <travmurav[m]> no need to pick from a list in that case, it "just works"

16:24 <travmurav[m]> we were briefly talking about maintaining a stable image for woa laptops @ pmOS but I'm not sure there is enough stakeholders to keep that updated for recent x elite things

16:25 <travmurav[m]> so for now it's just the bleeding edge image with "you're on your own" level of support xD

17:05 <\[m]> is that a level of support then ahha

17:05 <travmurav[m]> exactly xD

17:06 <travmurav[m]> can't complain if your maintainer is a cron job :D

18:14 <JosDehaes[m]> it's real folks! https://youtu.be/gpFSCACqDqQ?si=rsMbEvVEb95DItmy

18:34 <JosDehaes[m]> pretty brutal review

18:41 <robclark> I didn't want the whole thing, but he seemed kind of surprised that it didn't already have linux dtb when he received his unit before any linux developers did :-P

18:41 <robclark> but if we don't have acpi support, I guess we need to get used to that reaction :-(

18:42 <JensGlathe[m]> Yep, but actually... not really biased. I would say that I am quite biased and see things rosier for arm than they are

18:42 <JensGlathe[m]> cmon, qcom does linux internally, aren't they

18:46 <JosDehaes[m]> you've got to admit that the snapdragon launch was botched, and even more so the devkit. Like he said, it should have been available a year ago

18:47 <robclark> well, there is kinda a disconnect in what it means to have "linux support".. the SoC and crd have day0 support from day 1, so from that PoV there is linux support.. but the board level dtb is missing so from users perspective there is not da0 linux support

18:47 <robclark> there kinda both right

18:48 <steev> "why is there no linux support for the **windows** dev kit?"

18:49 <robclark> JosDehaes[m]: idk if true or not, but I had heard that the launch date was at least partly the product of OS availability date from MS

18:50 <JosDehaes[m]> well microsoft's not done themselves a favor with the launch :-D

18:51 <robclark> as far as day0 linux support, there is another factor.. when I was working at RH we'd get pre-release hw from the OEMs to get RHEL support working.. so when laptops need pesky acpi quirks, or new EC controller or whatever else, that is silently done before consumers see the device.. I suspect that is not happening in the case of arm laptops

18:55 <JensGlathe[m]> The windows laptops look quite polished tbh, windows and drivers run, only that odd AI side is overhyped/botched big time. The dev kit shows a stark contrast. of course its a dev kit for windows, and... well Windows Home shows what kind of an effort that is. So, not expecting a dtb might be okay, but annoying devs with Windows Home is a bad idea.

18:55 <JosDehaes[m]> the point is that the dev kit is only now shipping, while we've had consumer devices for sale for 3 months

18:56 <JensGlathe[m]> Is it shipping

18:56 <JensGlathe[m]> I didn't get mine, ordered on the same day as @geerlingguy

18:57 <HdkR> It at least /shipped/. Shipping might be a bit of an overstatement when it's all sold out

18:57 <JensGlathe[m]> I got another odd email from Arrow yesterday.

19:00 <robclark> hmm, nice it at least comes with a price discount

19:00 <JensGlathe[m]> The resulting effect will be that devs will use laptops if they even develop for arm64/x1e.

19:01 <JensGlathe[m]> the price discount is because of the missing hdmi port

19:01 <robclark> ahh

19:02 <JensGlathe[m]> And that AI bubble (re AI / Copilot +) has already burst, that momentum is gine for now

19:02 <JensGlathe[m]> gone*

19:04 <JensGlathe[m]> Up side: We might get better Linux laptops, you don't invest billlions and then don't sell product at scale (like, chromebooks)

19:04 <JensGlathe[m]> but WoA might have an issue

19:42 <robclark> JensGlathe[m]: idk, qc's guidance at last quarterly report was that they were "exceeding internal expectations".. and we are coming into a hw refresh cycle, so I guess they will do ok. Fleshing out the lower price points would probably also help their volume. (But that is all orthogonal to linux support.. linux users are kinda a rounding error from the hw vendors PoV)

19:43 <JensGlathe[m]> sadly yes

20:30 <zdykstra> for those of you with a new snapdragon laptop - does 4k@60hz video out work in Linux ?

20:30 <zdykstra> 4k@30hz on the x13s is disappointing

20:31 <HdkR> Does DP output work at all on X1E? Did patches land for that?

20:32 <robclark> dp works sometimes.. the dts bits have been posted for a few laptops.. for me on 7x it seems pretty tempormental

20:33 <robclark> but I'd expect 4k@60 should work.. I didn't try w/ a 4k display but the specs claim 3x 4k@60

20:34 <HdkR> I saw the four lane patch series but I didn't know how extensive it was. Maybe I need to update my 7x and see :D

20:36 <JensGlathe[m]> I have the dp and retimer patches in, but haven't tested yet against dp

20:36 <bamse> robclark: that's correct, we still don't have conclusion on Neil's patches to go 4-lane DP

20:36 <bamse> robclark: so we should not expect to see 4k@60

20:37 <robclark> I don't know if abelvesa posted the 7x dp patch yet.. but he had a branch with that. Only 2 of the 3 usb-c worked

20:37 <robclark> ahh, ok, if we aren't getting all the lanes yet, then yeah

20:37 <bamse> iiuc there's a dedicated HDMI output on the t14s, that should go to 11

20:37 <robclark> but mostly academic if the per-laptop dts isn't in place ;-)

20:38 <bamse> robclark: Neil has a patch series on the list since a long time back, that brings us the ability to switch 2+2 to 4 lane dp...and it works...but dwc3 controller dies most of the time

20:38 <bamse> yes

23:22 <kuruczgy[m]> SouthernPenguin_: From my side I think I will just upload ISOs for my customized yoga 7x NixOS installer to GitHub: https://github.com/kuruczgy/x1e-nixos-config/releases

23:22 <kuruczgy[m]> I don't see why one wouldn't take advantage of the free storage+bandwidth GitHub is giving away, it's surely more convenient than torrents. (Unless they have something specifically against GitHub, which I can also understand.)