ChanServ changed the topic of #aarch64-laptops to: Linux support for AArch64 Laptops (Chrome OS Trogdor Devices - Asus NovaGo TP370QL - HP Envy x2 - Lenovo Mixx 630 - Lenovo Yoga C630 - Lenovo ThinkPad X13s - and various other snapdragon laptops) - https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/aarch64-laptops
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<dgilmore>
fedora 41 has the camera working on the x13s out of the box
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<Jasper[m]>
dgilmore: Oh? Nice
<dgilmore>
at least its working here
<dgilmore>
currently running 6.11.3-300.fc41.aarch64 I need to reboot into a newer kernel
<dgilmore>
steev: I am now the owner of a 64GiB ram t14s,with touch screen, and 5g modem. I need to now get Fedora on it.
<dgilmore>
I need to pop the 2TiB NVMe drive in
<abby>
void too (if you count "after installing pw/libcamera" as ootb)
<steev>
woo!
<steev>
debian testing also has working cam
<craftyguy>
and pmOS 😉
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<freekurt[m]>
Where is the Debian testing ISO image that I can put on a USB to test out?
<steev>
in my defense its the first real kernel work i've done sincec like 2010-2012
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<bumble[m]>
<freekurt[m]> "A guy I am talking to on Twitter..." <- x13s with linux is amazing
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<JensGlathe[m]>
That‘s ahoneybun 👋
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<ahoneybun[m]>
That's indeed me!
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<dgilmore>
agl: the t14s is now configurable
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<jannau>
the upgrade price for 32GB -> 64GB is 0€
<JensGlathe[m]>
are they sure or just arrow-style webseite
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<tobhe>
jannau: only fair, 64GB is pretty broken atm
<dgilmore>
tobhe: that is what I am figuing out since it is what I got
<dgilmore>
at least i did not also get the oled screen
<tobhe>
cutmem 0x8800000000 0x8fffffffff and join the 32GB crew B)
<tobhe>
oled works fine
<Jasper[m]>
Hmmm Lenovo released the AMD version of the T14s Gen6
<tobhe>
well, with hacks
<Jasper[m]>
at about 300€ cheaper at base
<dgilmore>
Fedora's grub does not have cutmem
<tobhe>
does grub itself even boot or did you patch that already?
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<freekurt[m]>
[@ahoneybun:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@ahoneybun:matrix.org) did you get your camera working?
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<ahoneybun[m]>
I haven't yet seems to be a permission issue so far.
<ahoneybun[m]>
It looks like websites can see it exists now.
<freekurt[m]>
[@ahoneybun:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@ahoneybun:matrix.org) does the gnome camera app work?
<ahoneybun[m]>
I haven't tested but I thought it was just with Firefox where it worked? I'm also still thinking on how I would update my review of it as well.
<freekurt[m]>
No, gnome camera should work too.
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<dgilmore>
tobhe: I patched grub to limit the ram and it works
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<tobhe_>
dgilmore: looks like you need the mmap module for cutmem and that should be upstream. Does fedora patch that out or is it simply not loaded/installed?
<dgilmore>
tobhe_: willhave to dig, likely just not installed
<dgilmore>
I doubt it is patched out
<tobhe_>
~.
<travmurav[m]>
does linux crumble too if you only reserve the ram for boot services?
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<alex43>
Hello all,
<alex43>
I have been working as a web application developer with Debian-based Linux distributions and KDE for years. Now I got a new device, that is a Dell XPS 13 9345 with Snapdragon. I was observing that the Ubuntu Concept guys are providing an ISO Image with latest Patches which Looks quite promising. While I am Aware that Things are really not Ready yet to be used for daily production work, I was wondering whether it could be
<alex43>
some dual boot Installation including partitioning the harddisk in order to avoid large changes later on. I plan to create a shared data partition so I could do some work using Windows temporarily but switch back to Kubuntu later on, reusing the existing Git clones and other files.
<alex43>
Do you have any experience with that Dell device and the latest support for it? Is the time ready for doing what I have in mind or should I wait a bit more? Would be interesting whether installing and starting KDE works out at all. Thanks for any pointers.
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<JensGlathe[m]>
From what I've read on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-10-concept-snapdragon-x-elite/48800 the Dell 9345 seems quite well supported, and in active testing. I don't have one (I have the HP Omnibook X14), and I also run the 24.10 ISO on it. Installation went smooth. It is set up as dual boot for Windows and Linux. Sound is not yet working, camera neither. Working on external display support.
<tobhe_>
Dell XPS should work pretty well with the Ubuntu image but as you said it is all very experimental for now
<tobhe_>
if that is ok for you dual boot should work and I haven't heard any complaints about problems so far
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<freekurt[m]>
Do any of the X Elite laptops have 15 inch screens?
<JensGlathe[m]>
Asus Vivobook s15
<freekurt[m]>
thx
<zdykstra>
the surface laptop 7 also has a 15" model, I believe
<tobhe>
but I don't think we have that one working yet
<konradybcio>
i have one on my desk ;)
<konradybcio>
13 and 15 are identical from software pov, largely
<tobhe>
I probably have to cherry pick a few commits to get it working in the Ubuntu image then
<konradybcio>
you'll need to enable CONFIG_ACPI and a bunch of CONFIG_XXX_SURFACE
<tobhe>
ok, thx. I'll have a look at those. Do you have a link to a known working tree or should mainline just work?
<konradybcio>
mainline should provide good enough support to boot, i have a couple of downstream patches that i hope to flush out soon
<tobhe>
could you share your config? I do seem to have most of ACPI and SURFACE enabled, at least as modules
<robclark>
heh, CONFIG_ACPI seems like a weird dependency (but I guess that it would normally be enabled in a distro kernel anyways)
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<agl>
dgilmore: Thank you for your note. I had a look at the German site. There is 64 GB RAM at no extra charge. Unfortunately there is no higher processor with Turbo Boost selectable, it is still the weakest processor (X1E-78-100) on offer. What is also good is the choice of a 5G mobile broadband unit.
<agl>
Which X Elite Notebook is at this time with best supported for Linux?
<dgilmore>
agl: interesting on the Ram not costing extra, in the US it is $193 more
<steev>
i think either vivobook or thinkpad? for best supported? not sure
<dgilmore>
there is a choice between X1P-42-100 and X1E-78-100 for processor the later is $60 more
<JensGlathe[m]>
Almost all available notebooks have the x1e-78-700 binning.
<dgilmore>
X1P-42-100 is limited to 32GiB ram
<JensGlathe[m]>
x1p-42-100 is 8 core 3.2GHz Purwa SoC
<JensGlathe[m]>
would be interesting to see if it can do with the current dtsi or if it needs its on
<JensGlathe[m]>
iwn*
<JensGlathe[m]>
own**
<steev>
well... this is a new one to me.
<steev>
`The name on your registered account matches a name on a United States Government Export restricted list and is on hold. `
<tobhe>
oops
<konradybcio>
robclark removing CONFIG_ACPI requirements from surface drivers would have taken days.. and possibly wouldn't leave the drivers in a very good state
<konradybcio>
realistically we only needed to probe the surface hub which then has its own custom bus
<JensGlathe[m]>
you won't see many higher binnings in the laptops for [reasons]
<konradybcio>
tobhe you won't be happy to hear my device seems to just have everything that contains SURFACE enabled
<konradybcio>
as in, the config that i run
<tobhe>
aha. built-in?
<tobhe>
I saw that I am missing a few SURFACE_3 options
<tobhe>
and everything is a module
<konradybcio>
tobhe everything's =m
<konradybcio>
but looking at lsmod i need surface_: platform_profile fan hid battery hid_core charger aggregator aggregator_registry
<konradybcio>
rpmh already doesn't always take all votes into account ;)
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<freekurt[m]>
konradybcio: do you think the surface might be easier to get to suspend due to micro$oft's saner EC policy?
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<konradybcio>
that is not a relevant question
<konradybcio>
it's x13s being peculiar
<freekurt[m]>
gotcha. thanks for the clarification.
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<steev>
konradybcio: since i know nothing about these things and don't fully understand the patchset... is https://lore.kernel.org/linux-wireless/20241029083340.3010798-1-quic_bpothuno@quicinc.com/ really 6750 specific? for giggles, i locally added it to 6855 and didn't see any adverse reactions from suspending, but i don't have access to any specs (and apparently qualcomm thinks i'm a terrorist currently so i can't even acccess my qcom acct)
<ahoneybun[m]>
@freekurt:matrix.org `sudo qcam` does work!
<freekurt[m]>
steev: if it makes you feel any better I don't think you are a terrorist.
<freekurt[m]>
ahoneybun: fantastic!
<steev>
freekurt[m]: lmao
<steev>
i *do* work on Kali Linux, but still, that would have to be an extremely loose interpretation about what we work on (and afaik, qcom would like to see kali work on their hardware)
<noisycoil[m]>
steev: Do you think anyone has any interest in Kali on bare metal Apple Silicon?
<freekurt[m]>
steev: you work at kali linux? i take back what I said then.
<freekurt[m]>
jk jk
<freekurt[m]>
that's super cool!
<steev>
noisycoil[m]: i do, i just don't have the time to write it up and support it currently
<noisycoil[m]>
No, I did
<noisycoil[m]>
That's why I'm asking
<steev>
the latter part more than the former :) but i'd love to see your writeup
<noisycoil[m]>
Sure
<steev>
locally i have (someones?) git repo modified to generate everything, just haven't had the cycles to test it
<noisycoil[m]>
(Meaning it does not contain the actual kernel code, but only the debian directory )
<steev>
right, i'm familiar :)
<noisycoil[m]>
Yeah, but I know you don't use that one in kali
<noisycoil[m]>
You have the full repo including kernel code
<steev>
we do, as our starting base
<noisycoil[m]>
Let me see if I ever published the kali-arm repo, or if I kept it private
<noisycoil[m]>
Fails to build because Debian testing dropped support for polkitd-pkla since policykit-1 124-3
<steev>
ah yeah we drop that package
<noisycoil[m]>
So i can remove it safely?
<steev>
yeah
<noisycoil[m]>
Ok
<steev>
if you're installing any pkla files though, they need to be converted to the new js rules files
<noisycoil[m]>
No, I'm not. Thanks for the heads-up
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<noisycoil[m]>
No luck. There's a version conflict between the Plasma/Qt stack (I had installed plasma in kali since it's the asahi flagship DE) and the latest version of the asahi mesa drivers. These install in Debian testing+unstable, so I guess Kali is not in sync with Debian for some packages ATM. Will try again in the future
<noisycoil[m]>
If you ever become interested to the point of wanting to do some work on it feel free to drop by the bananas-team IRC channel