07:17 <chadmed> debian folks: what version of wireplumber is in stable right now?

07:18 <chadmed> urgh its still 0.4

07:45 <chadmed> jannau: did we not add the sd card slot fix to asahi-scripts proper?

07:45 <chadmed> i feel like we should do that...

07:47 <jannau> it's in fedora-asahi-remix-scripts, mostly I don't want to deal with where/how to install it for every distro. after installation `systemd-hwdb update` needs to run

07:48 <jannau> probably easier to fix it in systemd itself

07:49 <chadmed> yeah fair enough. i might just copy it for us into asahi-configs or something

10:28 <jannau> someone on reddit is reporting kernel compile time of 6h on m2 air/gentoo "due" thermal throttling. That sounds outlandish and I would kind of supect more something like 'MAKEOPTS=-j1'

10:29 <chaos_princess> that would track if it is a distro kernel with j1

10:30 <chaos_princess> get them to post emerge --info, that should include makeopts

10:31 <chadmed> lmfao thats outrageous

10:31 <chadmed> its like an hour here

10:31 <jannau> I'm a read-only reddit user

10:31 <chaos_princess> same :P

10:32 <chadmed> lol link the thread i suppose ill muck in

10:33 <jannau> https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1eocp8z/comment/lhiveef/

10:35 <chadmed> donezo

10:36 <leio> emerge --info isn't relevant if they use asahi-sources, as they launch make manually then

10:37 <chaos_princess> considering that they also have problems with ff, glibc, etc, i still think there is a misconfiguration in make.conf

10:37 <leio> the reply did mention dist-kernel though, so that's technically correct then to apply MAKEOPTS

10:37 <chadmed> theyre talking about the dist-kernel im pretty sure

10:37 <leio> ah, there's more comments

10:37 <leio> was a single comment link

10:38 <chadmed> even so, with -j1 theres just literally not a chance in hell its thermally throttling

10:38 <chadmed> so either the person is full of shit or theyre trying to build the dist-kernel while standing on the road in dubai or something

10:38 <leio> now I'm curious if my kernel compile time was 1 or 2 minutes :P

10:39 <chaos_princess> there is a crazy scenario where it could throttle with -j1, but it requires a stupid amount of misconfiguration (llvmpipe)

10:39 <chadmed> would the screen even repaint fast enough at -j1 for that to matter :p

10:39 <leio> if I still ran GNOME on llvmpipe, I had 12 cores out of 24 busy with screen updates :)

10:39 <chaos_princess> if you are doing something else - yes

10:40 <chadmed> leio: i think your actively cooled m2 ultra studio is a wee bit different :p

10:40 <leio> yes

10:40 <leio> means if they do that with llvmpipe, they'd use all of their cores for that.

10:41 <leio> anyways, guess we'll see from any reply what's up

10:53 <chadmed> oh this looks like a FUD account

10:55 <chadmed> yeah lmfao no comments anywhere except r/asahi and theyre all

10:55 <chadmed> not very nice to us :)

11:22 <kode54> umm what

11:23 <kode54> how the hell would a GPU have 2TB/s memory bandwidth

11:23 <kode54> their posts reek of bullshit

11:24 <kode54> outright lies about the supposed capabilities of conventional PC hardware

11:28 <chadmed> yeah GDDR has barely cracked 1TB/s

11:29 <chadmed> idk maybe the newer revisions of HBM can do it? but thats not on consumer graphics cards anymore

11:29 <jannau> Nvidia announced Hopper with 3TB/s memory bandwidth using multiple HBM3 stacks. Calling that PC hardware is a strretch though

11:30 <chaos_princess> there is a pcie version technically, and i am sure that there is at least one r/localllama person who bought one

11:31 <kode54> half their posts are deleted

11:32 <chadmed> they only have comments in r/asahi too and theyre all either "my macbook hit 100 billion degrees and killed my child" tier fud or just shit talking devs for not working fast enough or whatever

11:33 <chadmed> i doubt ill get a response to my request for emerge --info

11:33 <chadmed> i doubt they even use gentoo or even asahi at all

11:33 <jannau> sure, you can by PCIe 5 H100 cards for €30k

11:34 <chadmed> inb4 someone buys one and asks about egpu :p

11:39 <jannau> if someone buys a 30k GPU I would expect they by a mac pro from pocket change

11:39 <jannau> +u

11:40 <chaos_princess> btw whats with the pcie controller in the mac pro, did they fix device memory in that one?

11:42 <chadmed> macos still doesnt have shiny new userspace drivers for non apple gpus afaik so maybe not?

11:42 <chadmed> was the device-ngnre thing the controller or the dart/broader soc

11:45 <jannau> possible, nobody checked afaik

11:47 <chadmed> i would think if they intended to fix it they would have made a song and dance about it especially with big beefy MI250 and MI300 and whatever else releasing

11:48 <chadmed> and then everything else pcie in the mac ecosystem is either first party stuff like the afterburner cards which are totally redundant now, or babys toys like elgato capture cards that probably dont particularly care about write combining and such

11:50 <chadmed> The GPU is integrated into the M2 Ultra chip and doesn't support additional graphics processors, such as PCIe graphics cards or MPX modules. You can configure the number of GPU cores in your Mac Pro when you purchase it.

11:50 <chadmed> well there you have it

11:51 <chadmed> https://support.apple.com/en-au/101988

13:46 <chaos_princess> i think it can both be read as "device memory is broken" and "we will not ship any gpu drivers for other vendors"