#asahi on 2022-06-07 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-04-28 01:57 marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/ | General project discussion | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi

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01:16 <refi64> user982492: I believe FEX uses a JIT and then caches the results for reuse later

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01:54 <kov> nico_32, what that tweet says is it can't be used on non-Apple CPUs though, no?

01:54 <kov> not that it needs Mac

01:55 <kov> or well, if all it needs is a special virtual file system that would be quite easy to trick it into believing it has hehe

01:55 <AstrOwO[m]1> Hey y'all

01:55 <kov> but interesting, probably means it will work without MacOS then

01:55 <AstrOwO[m]1> What's everyone's opinions on WWDC today?

01:56 <kov> this is making me think they are really going to go for a server/cloud soc

01:58 <minkuu[m]> wwdc was cool but now my iPad Pro (not m1 model) can’t take full advantage of the new features

01:58 <minkuu[m]> Too lazy to upgrade doe

01:58 <user982492> I wonder if some thing similar to the i386_set_ldt hack can make 32 bit code work with Linux Rosetta

02:22 <nicolas17> milek7: https://twitter.com/never_released/status/1533992928380690432

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05:28 <MTecknology> This seems to probably be my problem. The question is ... is there some obviously simple process I'm missing, or should I just wait until the update is available in a "mainline" update? https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1/issues/159#

05:29 <MTecknology> Possibly worth noting, I have a 4k monitor, but I pretty much only ever use a 2k resolution, and would be happy with less

05:38 WindowPain_ is now known as WindowPain

05:41 <VinDuv> MTecknology: you can try replacing the file m1n1/boot.bin on the EFI partition with the one I provide in a comment at the end of the issue thread. I think Glanzmann has written a small guide but I can’t find it.

05:42 <MTecknology> Option 1) go to sleep, Option 2) Try this out.

05:42 <MTecknology> (that's a joke, we know what I'm gonna do)

05:43 <VinDuv> Basically you want to start macOS, open a Terminal, run “diskutil list disk0”, find the EFI partition in the list and get its disk0sX identifier (last column). Then you run “sudo diskutil mount disk0sX” to mount the partition. It will appear on the desktop and you can replace the file.

05:45 <MTecknology> basically, fdisk -l; mount /dev/sdXy /mnt; cp downloaded_file /mnt/boot/

05:45 <MTecknology> (ish)

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05:55 <VinDuv> ues

05:55 <VinDuv> *yes

05:56 <MTecknology> apparently not this - https://vincent.duvert.net/divers/boot.bin

05:57 <jannau> looks like marcan might work on m1n1 / the installer today

05:58 <MTecknology> I'll just stop trying to feel smart and let smarter people do the magic stuff for me! :D

05:58 <jannau> I think the display improvements and mac studio support warrant an update

06:00 <jannau> marcan: the kernel still needs this fix: https://github.com/jannau/linux/commit/8c2b2b7d7281c09f7fb721fa0eeb6dab5116bd07

06:01 <VinDuv> MTecknology: https://drop.duvert.net/boot.bin

06:01 <MTecknology> excellent, thanks

06:02 <jannau> marcan: u-boot asahi branch works on the mac studio and just needs our boot config patch ontop

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12:12 <marcan> jannau: on 12.x I assume? we should fix the 13.0 beta NVMe issue I opened before this release

12:17 <_jannau_> marcan: yes, on 12.3. I haven't updated any device to 13.0 beta

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12:53 <ComradeMisato[m]> any thoughts on the M2 announced yesterday? 😄

12:54 <j`ey> did anyone order one?

12:54 <ComradeMisato[m]> also are there any apple and mac-related matrix rooms?

12:58 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> i cannot wait to see how much battery life they have

12:58 <Tramtrist> dont think you can order until july?

12:59 <Tramtrist> never owned a mac before.. that MBA in midnight is quite tempting..

13:00 <j`ey> oh right, well is anyone planning on it?

13:00 <sven> i'm still a bit sad it only supports one external screen

13:00 <sven> might've upgraded my m1 air otherwise

13:01 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> only one?

13:01 <sven> internal + one external, yes

13:01 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> can't you use DP to plug in more displays

13:02 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> through USB4

13:02 <sven> no

13:02 <j`ey> sven: unplug the internal one :P

13:02 <sven> :>

13:02 <sven> I wish the internal DCP output was also just hooked up to that dp crossbar and could be routed to the other type c port

13:03 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> i mean theoretically you can have another display output, just in software

13:04 <sven> i've never had a good experience with any usb->hdmi converters

13:05 <ChaosPrincess> maybe egpus will be possible with thunderbolt? or do those have a broken pci express implementation?

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13:06 <sven> there's no broken pcie express implementation. it's just that the egpu drivers make assumptions that may no longer hold on apple silicon (at least iommu granularity and memory attributes)

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13:15 <Tramtrist> +200$ for 16GB is pretty steep 😿

13:16 <j`ey> yeah it gets expensive quickly..

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13:21 <ComradeMisato[m]> i need to get an iPad Pro

13:21 <ComradeMisato[m]> so i can use it a second emergency computer at work and as a second monitor for my macbook pro

13:22 <ComradeMisato[m]> i need to send my mbp for repairs but i cant bc of work

13:22 <minkuu[m]> oof

13:22 <minkuu[m]> can an iPad replace your laptop for your workflow tho

13:23 <ComradeMisato[m]> it should be fine

13:23 <ComradeMisato[m]> its mostly just browser work

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13:27 <ComradeMisato[m]> anyone use irc on macOS here?

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13:29 <amarioguy> ComradeMisato: when my studio comes in :)

13:29 <amarioguy> planning to use that as my main dev machine

13:29 <amarioguy> atm stuck on my desktop because reasons

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13:32 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> i need an air, my current laptop is heavy and its battery lasts about as long as it takes for me to eat a sandwhich

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13:41 <ComradeMisato[m]> <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> "i need an air, my current laptop..." <- i upgraded from a Macbook Pro 13'' inch mid-2012 to a Macbook Pro M1

13:41 <mps> AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1: I have 3 arm chromebooks old at least 5 years, batteries on them keeps about 7-10 hours of normal work

13:43 <ComradeMisato[m]> <amarioguy> "atm stuck on my desktop because..." <- whats your desktop

13:43 <ComradeMisato[m]> oh they left

13:49 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> <mps> "Lena: I have 3 arm chromebooks..." <- well now i almost fully saved up for it so it's fine

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13:52 <mps> AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1: I wanted to say that arm machines are better with batteries than intel

13:53 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> oh FOR SURE

13:53 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> i mean granted my laptop is a thinkpad T61 (core 2 duo Penryn) so it's nothing new

13:54 <AdryzzOLEDEdition[m]1> but like even my sister's laptop that she got a year and a half ago comes at 4h of actual work

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13:56 <ComradeMisato[m]> honestly my life changed by how long my m1 macbook pro lasts

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14:09 <ComradeMisato[m]> well if there isn't any matrix rooms for Apple and macOS related stuff

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14:10 <ComradeMisato[m]> would anyone join if i made one lol

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14:55 <Igunublue[m]> Hi ! my name is peter, I'm from some part of south america and I like and surprise me this work. Asahi is incredible, I would like to contribute in something. I'm a junior developer with javascrip and I know some concept about python. This is mi first time in a community project, but I used linux since 2014 and others opensource apps, and yeah, that is, so... my native language is spanish and I'm improving my english skills 😅

14:56 <Igunublue[m]> s/mi/my/

14:59 <qeeg> Igunublue[m], most of asahi's work is done in C and C++, javascript and python skills will get you nowhere in a project like this.

15:01 <user982492> Doesn't m1n1 use python?

15:01 <sven> m1n1 is like half-python half-C, but a lot of that python code is about poking MMIO so it's going to be hard to see what's going on there

15:01 <sven> if you only know python and haven't done kernel work before

15:01 <qeeg> i mean, most of what this project needs is reverse engineering afaik

15:02 <qeeg> and js and python are mostly useless for that lol

15:02 <sven> most of the reverse engineering happens with python+m1n1 fwiw

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15:02 <qeeg> okay, fair, but like, you still need to have a lower level of understanding of how computers work

15:02 <sven> yeah

15:03 <qeeg> i'd HIGHLY suggest learning C and also maybe working on stuff like compilers or emulators first before trying to help asahi

15:03 <JTL> sven: speaking from experience with other projects, it is time consuming but I find the the best way to orient those with a drive to help is point them towards which programming concepts/langauges to study, and later on mentor them from there about the "ropes".

15:03 <JTL> :)

15:03 <sven> uh, sure?

15:03 <JTL> just speaking from personal experience

15:04 * sven is confused

15:04 <JTL> nevermind...

15:05 <qeeg> i mean, even someone like me would probably be more useful to the project, and i don't even have an m1 mac lol. what i do have is proficient C skills and experience from writing emulators so i know the gist of how computer hardware works :p

15:05 <Igunublue[m]> I forgot to say that I have 9 years of experience in computer maintenance and repair.

15:06 <j`ey> Igunublue[m]: do you have an m1?

15:06 <sven> there are also other ways to contribute except for writing code or reverse engineering hardware. we have some people who e.g. write excellent documentation or help others in here

15:06 <Igunublue[m]> yes, I writing from it

15:08 * Igunublue[m] uploaded an image: (14KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gLmGHKnaMeHdnqIuBLNtikvK/Screen%20Shot%202022-06-07%20at%2010.08.00%20AM.png >

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15:11 <Igunublue[m]> I'm not sure if i can contribute to the main task, but for example I can fix or add new feature in the web site or management a spanish community

15:12 <Igunublue[m]> So.. ready, I will find my place 👍️

15:13 <sven> iirc someone started writing a UI for the installer (which is written in python) at some point, maybe you can also help there

15:17 <Igunublue[m]> nice! thk!! sven

15:21 <Sobek[m]> <ComradeMisato[m]> "would anyone join if i made..." <- I might, if the signal to noise ratio isn't too bad

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16:24 <ComradeMisato[m]> <Sobek[m]> "I might, if the signal to..." <- what do you mean by that

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16:37 <ComradeMisato[m]> whats a good irc client for asahi

16:38 <jn> anything that's good on linux in general

16:39 <jn> with IRC client's you're going to get 20 different opinions, but i like quassel

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16:42 <ComradeMisato[m]> <Glanzmann> "Comrade Misato: I had this issue..." <- can u explain to that to me

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17:16 <bestouff[m]> <sven> "I’ll get to them eventually once..." <- Could someone do something to help you get motivated to dive into it again ?

17:22 <sven> a long weekend with bad weather would help ;)

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20:30 <j`ey> https://threedots.ovh/blog/2022/06/quick-look-at-rosetta-on-linux/

20:30 <j`ey> "Rosetta on Linux exclusively operates in JIT mode, at least for the time being."

20:32 <mps> j`ey: hm, is it rosetta on linux or roseta on macos, and linux on rosetta

20:33 <j`ey> rosetta on bare metal linux

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21:55 * Tramtrist is dreaming of a midnight MBA running Slackware

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22:26 <rowang077[m]> arm subsystem for x86 :)

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