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<nicolas17>
IcaroDextris[m] j`ey: what's this about blurry XWayland?
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<marcan>
xwayland does not do HiDPI properly last I checked
<marcan>
(that's why I didn't default to wayland in the default Asahi install)
<Cy8aer[m]>
is this a KDE->Xwayland problem: Never saw blurred xwayland applications with Gnome42->Xwayland
<Cy8aer[m]>
(firefox should blur if running with X? It doesn't for me though it is running xwayland now - ok not asahi-Arch but Debian...)
<j`ey>
for me, pure wayland, firefox looked wonky at 1.25x
<Cy8aer[m]>
Just a moment, I'll check it out again...
<j`ey>
(Im using sway, so maybe a sway specific problem?)
<Lucy[m]>
X11 has never done proper fractional scaling. It can scale to 2x and then down to prevent blurriness (I think), but nice battery life by doing that. lol
<Cy8aer[m]>
> for me, pure wayland, firefox looked wonky at 1.25x
<Cy8aer[m]>
with `MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1`?
<j`ey>
no, but I don't have xwayland installed
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<_jannau_>
in plasma xwayland apps are scaled by the compositor so fractional scaling will look blurry
<_jannau_>
plasma 5.26 will add an option to not scale xwayland apps: se above link
<Lucy[m]>
Like that's better?
<Cy8aer[m]>
no, it does not blur for me or veery slightly...
<Lucy[m]>
Even after all these years, simply using a lower resolution seems to be the best option on *nix
<tophevich[m]>
I'm not a gnome user, but what I've read on the topic gnome has the same issue as current kde. Many use a "workaround" of no scaling but bigger font, as text is for most the biggest pain point.
<j`ey>
I wonder if I can just change the font size of FF's UI in itself
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<IcaroDextris[m]>
<marcan> "xwayland does not do HiDPI..." <- I can confirm, maybe is better that developer add wayland support because seems not solvable the scaling problem for xWayland as far i read
<IcaroDextris[m]>
<Cy8aer[m]> "is this a KDE->Xwayland problem:..." <- It’s a xWayland problem, not related to any DE, even in gnome you can see the problem using xwayland app on fractional scaling
<Cy8aer[m]>
I found that my firefox is running in xwayland and the wayland version is ways sharper but then I have crazy HiDPi problems, crazy.
<chadmed>
yeah firefox's hidpi behaviour isnt that great. macos has had this sort of thing down pat for over a decade :/
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<tophevich[m]>
I'd guess no other manufacturer has had that high ration of hidpi displays in their line-up so there was a really big need for it
<chadmed>
PC laptops have had hidpi screens for a while now too, and 4K monitors while not commonplace have been cheaply available since the korean manufacurers flooded ebay with them in 2010
<Cy8aer[m]>
hm, Wayland: Disable `layout.css.devPixelsPerPx` and use the gnome settings works - crazy.
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<tophevich[m]>
yeah, that's why I did speak of the ratio, the volume sold of hidpi vs std moves the needle, especially when it comes to what runs in offices
<unrelentingtech>
but I think gnome has its own magic for this somehow, like on stock arch linux with gnome various xwayland apps (e.g. java swing :D) aren't blurry
<unrelentingtech>
<Cy8aer[m]> "hm, Wayland: Disable `layout.css..." <- oh of course you'd have "crazy problems" if you mess with prefs like these. don't touch them when you have actual hidpi support
<Cy8aer[m]>
I was not aware of really having hidpi support 😉
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<AkramB[m]>
Hi
<nsklaus_>
wayland use css for layout ?
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<ptrc>
nsklaus_: wayland has nothing to do with layout, the message is about a firefox (which does use css) preference in context of scaling on gnome+wayland
<nsklaus_>
ptrc: i see, i was getting surprised there for a moment (but not totaly though, considering gnome uses css, in some strange weird universe where gnome people live, i thought they could have somehow infected wayland too with their horrible ideas)
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<miko>
nsklaus_: wait until you learn that polkit rules are written in js ;)
<nsklaus_>
that's the problem with modern times, everything gets mixed up and out of place/role
<nsklaus_>
maybe soon folks will try to write a kernel in php ;)
<maz>
no need. there is already an x86 emulator written in js.
<nsklaus_>
i've heard some already try with js..
<nsklaus_>
yes
<nsklaus_>
we're in the era where walking on the head became the norm
<maz>
this is called job security.
<sven>
:D
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<JimmyWoods[m]>
doesnt work if you have more than one OS installed
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<zv>
is Glanzmann still around / reliably maintaining resources on his website (scripts, configs, binaries)?
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<j`ey>
he's around, sparsely
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<VasyaPupkin[m]>
I'm terribly sorry, but I have to ask this question. I use vdmtool with Relaimer Labs board and arduino Due. While using DFP connection in order to obtain uart on T2 mac I get an endless ">SOURCE_CAP" message. UFP works fine. What should I do?
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