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<weapon_of_nix[m]>
hello, i'm having trouble getting video to work in firefox on asahi. i have a pretty default config and ffmpeg is installed. has anyone else experienced this? video works fine in VLC
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<mps>
so I shouldn't answer above question because I don't use official asahi distro iiuc?
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<ylebars[m]>
Hello everybody out there!
<ylebars[m]>
I am quite impress with the work doneon Asahi Linux.
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<ylebars[m]>
s/./!/
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<sven>
mps: i think the idea is to just move disto specific questions (e.g. how do I boot from usb? How do i built a custom image for Debian? Etc.) in there
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<mps>
sven: I understand that intention is good but ime it will lead to some fragmentation and disconnection between people who just arrived to asahi
* sven
doesn't care because he's not paying much attention to #asahi anyway
<sven>
too much noise to read every message
<mps>
"how do I boot from usb?" is generic question and if I (for example) answer and point to guide I wrote as generic answer I fear that this will be 'frown upon' and I will not answer
<mps>
but yes, sometimes are too much messages out of context
<j`ey>
it's not that serious! more just if there are longer alpine or debian or other distro questions/discussions, was the intent
<mps>
well, however. we will see how this will work, and I'm not against having separate and specific topics channels especially if we don't start to scold people
<marcan>
the point is to move discussion specific to unsupported distros there so folks don't get confused as to what applies to them and what doesn't
<marcan>
weapon_of_nix[m]: try switching the audio device profile to input only and back to duplex in the mixer/audio config (or pavucontrol)
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<ylebars[m]>
I wonder, why are Mac Studio not supported (yet)? My guess is it is quite a recent computer, as well as a bit expansive one, so no one in Asahi team has one to work on. Am I right or is there some specific issue with it?
<j`ey>
ylebars[m]: they are supported to some extent, just not in the current official release
<ylebars[m]>
It is impressive how fast Asahi is evolving!
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<ylebars[m]>
I am in need of some computing power, but I am also very sensitive to noise – to the point a 15 dB noise can be some anoyance for me. It seems the new M1 computers can fit these two needs, but I really do not like macOS and I am quite use to Linux – more specificaly Debian. So I am lurking Asahi and am very impressed.
<ylebars[m]>
My guess is that it is too early to use Asahi as a main system in production, but the question is: would I be able to give some help, nowing I will not have much time and I a mathematician, not a system specialist?
<ylebars[m]>
I guess Asahi always needs some people to help, but I am not sure I can be useful in anyway.
<jannau>
marcan: is that problem fixed by povik's "i2c: pasemi: Wait for write xfers to finish"? it's in v5.18-rc3 so it should be linux/asahi
<jannau>
ylebars[m]: my mac studio is not silent. fans are spinning constantly at 1300rpm and are noticeable in a quiet room
<ylebars[m]>
jannau: I did not knew that, thank you for this information.
<marcan>
jannau: I need to rebase, yes
<rowang077[m]>
@ylebars Depending on your needs you could run Asahi as your daily driver. There are some major things that don't work but it's possible. See here for a list: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support. I can't comment on any noise since I don't actually have an M1 machine.
<rowang077[m]>
but if you truly don't want any noise you could always get the fanless M1 macbook air.
<jannau>
I think the main missing HW support to use the mac studio as development machine is display support and to a lesser extend usb 3
<rowang077[m]>
well computing power could also mean "mobile" computing power. Not entirely clear what @ylebars needs
<ylebars[m]>
rowang077[m]: Thank you. Yes, I have read the wiki, especially the Feature Support section. Well, I need to use some USB 3 devices and if I use a laptop, I need to connect it on an external screen, so it seems some functionnality I need are not yet available.
<ylebars[m]>
s/functionnality/functionnalities/
<ylebars[m]>
rowang077[m]: Yes, I have been quite elusive.
<ylebars[m]>
I am doing some HPC work. Of course, you do not do some complete run on a personal computer, you use a dedicated computer. But still, you need to test your code on the developing computer and therefore can do some demanding run on it.
<rowang077[m]>
For HPC I would think you'd require CUDA or at least OpenCL?
<ylebars[m]>
Also, it’s been a while since I wonded if I can have just one laptop with enough computing power, rather having a desktop and a laptop computer.
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<ylebars[m]>
rowang077[m]: Well, yes, but not necessarily.
<ylebars[m]>
Now, indeed, I use OpenCL. One thing interresting in OpenCL is that it is not loocked up to one specific architecture. As M1 have GPU cores and TPU cores, clearly, OpenCL would be of some use on it. Only, it has to be supported by OpenCL …
<ylebars[m]>
Applications like AI use quite a lot of heteregonous architecture, but many more classical model do not – parallel computing on CPU.
<rowang077[m]>
Yes, that's correct. But as it stands OpenCL is not supported since the entire GPU driver implementation is not done yet. You could still run on it on your CPU but considering your application I don't think you will have a good time with this
<ylebars[m]>
Thank you for all this informations.
<ylebars[m]>
Well, as I understand it, I cannot be of any use yet for the Asahi team. Also, there are still some features I need that are not available. Therefore, I should wait a bit before trying it.
<ylebars[m]>
I will still be lurking on what Asahi is doing.
<ylebars[m]>
And I want to congrate and thank you for this amazing work!
<ylebars[m]>
* Thank you for all these information.
<ylebars[m]>
Oh! Yes!
<ylebars[m]>
Can I ask people using a M1 Macbook Pro 14 if there is some noticeable noise?
<neggles>
if your definition of 'noticeable' is 15dB(A), then, yes, because it's impossible to get down to a level that low outside of an anechoic chamber
<ylebars[m]>
Well, indeed …
<neggles>
and every computer that's not built to be purely passive will make noise under high load. at low load, it's effectively inaudible
<ylebars[m]>
Thank you!
<neggles>
apple's return policy is fairly lenient, you can return one within 2 weeks or so for a full refund in most countries
<ylebars[m]>
Great! I did not knew that either.
<neggles>
check what the policy is locally in your country
<neggles>
but you can probably just buy one and return it if you don't like it / it's too loud.
<ylebars[m]>
neggles: Yes, I will.
<neggles>
don't expect to be making even remotely close to full use of the hardware on Linux for at least a year or two, though.
<neggles>
reverse-engineering and writing drivers for mostly-undocumented hardware is *hard*
<ylebars[m]>
neggles: Yes, this is something I knew already. Therefore, I did not expected Asahi being on alpha stage so early. It is very impressive how this project is doing.
<ylebars[m]>
Still, I got it: the project will at least need one more year before being able to access more plainly to the hardware.
<neggles>
honestly who knows how long it'll take?
<neggles>
it's anyone's guess
<mps>
idk for other but for me after using it for 5-6 months as daily driver it is quite fine and usable
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<neggles>
mps: oh for sure, but not if you want openCL accelerated by the NNPU/GPU/etc...
<mps>
neggles: yes, but I don't have these things on some other arm machines
<neggles>
I completely agree, but ylebars[m] specifically mentioned needing openCL :)
<mps>
ok then
<Sobek[m]>
Is a NNPU as hard to reverse and write driver for as the GPU ? harder ? not as hard ?
<neggles>
probably harder in this case
<neggles>
but that's not really a question that can be answered until someone starts working on it
<mps>
side note: as no one know in this world how nerves actually works calling something neural network is misleading at least (but marketing :) )
<neggles>
hey that's not true, we do know how nerves work, simulating a network of neurons is quite simple
<neggles>
what we don't know is how to make them *think* :P
<ylebars[m]>
mps: Absolutly.
<ylebars[m]>
Actually, the so-called neural engine in M1 architecture corresponds to TPU architecture. It is made specifically to compute some specialize linear computing.
<mps>
neggles: no, no one knows except those who have illusion that they know
<neggles>
the functioning of a nerve cell is incredibly well characterized but i suspect I know where you're going with this argument and I'm not interested in having it
<mps>
and it will be OT here
<mps>
and you can't know what and where I lead you by this ;)
<mps>
sorry to OT again
<rowang077[m]>
There is some work done on the TPU. Wait let me find the link
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<weapon_of_nix[m]>
<marcan> "weapon_of_nix: try switching the..." <- hmm i tried but nothing changed sadly
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<DarkShadow44>
I'm currently trying again to get my asahi installation to work, but it only results in a blackscreen when I click on my "archmac" in the boot menu. I am connected via HDMI, is there something I can do to fix that?
<tpw_rules>
try a different monitor
<DarkShadow44>
apart from that?
<DarkShadow44>
I only have two times the same monitor
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<DarkShadow44>
thanks
<DarkShadow44>
no luck with this version either though
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<Glanzmann>
DarkShadow44: Thank you for reporting back, worth a try.
<kibomo>
IDENTIFY
<kibomo>
!IDENTIFY
<kibomo>
#IDENTIFY
<DarkShadow44>
Any data I could provide to help fix the issue, or should I just wait?
<VinDuv>
Hmm, you can try my m1n1 patch if it’s still up, let me check
<kibomo>
Hey I'm learning about computer architecture as a beginner and thought contributing to this project would be a good way to learn. I don't currently own any apple silicon devices is there any way i could contribute to documentation ect.?
<j`ey>
unless there's stuff you can read from the linux drivers and turn into better documentation maybe
<DarkShadow44>
VinDuv: How would I use that, just rename to boot.bin?
<VinDuv>
yes
<DarkShadow44>
I'll try and report back
<j`ey>
DarkShadow44: and rerun the kmutil command
<DarkShadow44>
what command? ._.
<VinDuv>
j`ey: this is stage2 m1n1, no need to mess with stage1
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<j`ey>
VinDuv: ohh right, derp
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<DarkShadow44>
VinDuv: Can't believe that actually works, I got a screen now! And it's even a solid 1920x1080 :)
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<VinDuv>
nice! :)
<DarkShadow44>
thank you!
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<norris[m]>
did anyone have a solution for the firefox video; or is that just a me problem
<j`ey>
norris[m]: 09:43:13 <@marcan> weapon_of_nix[m]: try switching the audio device profile to input only and back to duplex in the mixer/audio config (or pavucontrol)
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