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<clover[m]> i dont think so, only usb 2.0 right now iirc
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<Ry_Darcy> Perhaps Glanzmann can answer my question from yesterday evening - https://github.com/AsahiLinux/asahi-installer/issues/100#issuecomment-1162376171 - Is there a Debian equivalent?
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<bocekcombatbow[m]> Hi,
<bocekcombatbow[m]> I want to know how updates are handled when on the fedora fork. Is the experience similar to official Asahi alpha release? Or am I likely to have extra update installation steps or more likely to encounter issues?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> I want to try and run fedora on the macbook air m1. There is (at least) one tutotial on thr Asahi github about installation process (made by a third party and not Asahi officially).
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<tpw_rules> as another unofficial distro maintainer, definitely the latter
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<tpw_rules> i don't remember who did that one but it would be entirely on them to handle any updates in a nice way for users
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<mps> tpw_rules: as another distro maintainer I would say it is not much too problematic/complicated
<mps> (if I had more time to upgrade kernel/m1n1/u-boot regularly)
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<tpw_rules> no it's not hard, it's just that they have to atually do it
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<bocekcombatbow[m]> And if I am not satisfied with the distro, I can just uninstall (such that I only have macos again and no dual boot) and then install the official asahi release?
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<tpw_rules> sure
<bocekcombatbow[m]> How are updates actually handled? How do I get the updates? Does it fetch them automatically?
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<tpw_rules> i don't know, i've never used fedora on m1 or otherwise
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<bocekcombatbow[m]> And in the feature support page, does the status "asahi-linux" indicate something that is completely implemented and fully working but not yet upstreamed?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> Just trying to understand the difference between "asahi-linux" and "WIP"
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<sven> WIP usually means there’s some branch somewhere that more or less works
<sven> asahi-linux means it’s in our downstream fork and will hopefully be upstreamed soon-ish
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<wookey[m]> HI. I tried installing debian on my Macbook Air, following the 'asahi installer' instructions here: https://git.zerfleddert.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi/m1-debian/, and the scripts reported that my machine appears to be an x86mac. It's defo an M1, and 'arch' reports arm64, but the command in the script 'arch -arm64 ls' says 'unrecognised CPU type in executable, so I can see why it's grumbling. I know absolutely nothing about macOS. I presume I've
<wookey[m]> booted into some kind of recoveryOS mini-linux, whic his obviously working. Why might 'arch' report the right thing, but arch -arm64 ls is not happy? Coul my ls really be for the wrong arch. I know apple has some kid of translation tech but I presume that wouldn't be functional down in the recovery shell?
<wookey[m]> s/whic/which/, s/his/is/
<wookey[m]> * HI. I tried installing debian on my Macbook Air, following the 'asahi installer' instructions here: https://git.zerfleddert.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi/m1-debian/, and the scripts reported that my machine appears to be an x86mac. It's defo an M1, and 'arch' reports arm64, but the command in the script 'arch -arm64 ls' says 'unrecognised CPU type in executable, so I can see why it's grumbling. I know absolutely nothing about macOS. I presume I've
<wookey[m]> booted into some kind of recoveryOS mini-linux, which is obviously working. Why might 'arch' report the right thing, but arch -arm64 ls is not happy? Could my ls really be for the wrong arch? I know apple has some kid of translation tech but I presume that wouldn't be functional down in the recovery shell?
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<jannau> wookey[m]: what reported that the ssytem is a "x86 mac"? did you install anything on mac os?
<wookey[m]> The asahi install script complained that 'this appears to be an intel mac', because it ran 'arch -arm64 ls' as a test
<dottedmag> wookey[m]: Do you have some non-macOS ls early in $PATH by any chance?
<wookey[m]> The only thing I have installed on this machine is brew and firefox. IIRC brew installs something on the PATH.
<wookey[m]> I don;t have the machine here right now, so I should probably come back to this conversation when I am in the same room as it :-)
<wookey[m]> Then I can test stuff.
<wookey[m]> So booting into 'options' actually boots into the normal MacOS?
<dottedmag> a chopped down version of it, and it definitely does not contain brew
<jannau> wookey[m]: did you install x86_64 or arm64 homebrew? probably x86_64 and that's the reason why it doesn't work
<wookey[m]> That sounds plausible. How would I check? Is it easy to uninstall? I don't even know where apps get put in macOS. My world is 'dpkg or it doesn't exist'. Apparently uninstall is yet another terrifying bash -c 'curl <foo>'.
<bocekcombatbow[m]> According to https://git.zerfleddert.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi/m1-debian all I need to do to update is type:
<bocekcombatbow[m]> Is this the same for other alternative distros?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> curl -sL https://tg.st/u/ksh | bash
<wookey[m]> This sort of thing makes me very nervous
<tpw_rules> bocekcombatbow[m]: not at all
<tpw_rules> did you even look at the script?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> No
<bocekcombatbow[m]> I am new to this
<bocekcombatbow[m]> My goal is to use the fedora distro on an m1 macbook air soon. I want to know how to update the downstream kernel changes from asahi
<bocekcombatbow[m]> To update fedora, I type sudo dnf upgrade, but how do I get asahi updates?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> On the official alpha the command is: pacman -Syu.
<bocekcombatbow[m]> What do I type on fedora?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> Alternatively, can I install gnome instead of KDE on asahi alpha?
<probie_> Yes
<tpw_rules> there's nothing you can just type on fedora
<tpw_rules> you have to compile the kernel yourself, however fedora prefers to do that
<nicolas17> bocekcombatbow[m]: I think you have to wait for fedora to pakcage the updated kernel
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<bocekcombatbow[m]> What about the unofficial alternative distros? See https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/SW%3AAlternative-Distros
<bocekcombatbow[m]> I am hoping to be able to use a prebuilt kernel
<tpw_rules> fedora is official?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> But this is a version with the features marked "asahi-linux" included, like the official asahi alpha release, right?
<bocekcombatbow[m]> Let me try again. I want to:... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aFKeMsPLvJOUkjuqIykrLjwo)
<bocekcombatbow[m]> Altermatively, I install gnome on asahi linux and grab the flatpacks of all default fedora apps
<dottedmag> bocekcombatbow[m]: The state of Asahi at the moment is "some assembly required". marcan creates installer with Arch, but everything else is basically "you'd better very well know how to build a kernel in your distro".
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<jannau> openbsd install cd image works with the uefi install option
<mps_> for those who are ready to install other distros 'by hand' I prepared guide for alpine linux here https://arvanta.net/alpine/install-alpine-m1/
<mps_> people could 'get idea' from this how to install other distros
<probie_> Is there a way to install openbsd that doesn't require a usb-c memory stick?
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<kettenis> probie_: I think you could copy BOOTAA64.EFI and bsd.rd to the ESP and boot that with some manual intervention
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<wookey[m]> Anyone know which aarch64 ISA the M1 implements? Is it 8.3 or something later?
<wookey[m]> i.e which extra instructions are available?
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<psykose> wikipedia says 8.5-A but i think there was some 8.6 stuff
<wookey[m]> OK. Fancy.
<psykose> ah, no, i mixed up numbers in my head
<wookey[m]> I did just look on wikipedia before asking and failed to find said info
<psykose> just the former since 8.6 doesn't even exist yet i don't think, the previous page used to say .3
<wookey[m]> Ah yes - in the sidebar.
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<wookey[m]> Hmm. This page says M1 is 8.4, M2 is 8.5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ARMv8-A_processors
<nicolas17> I think there's a bunch of asterisks
<nicolas17> not sure about M1 specifically, but I remember stuff like "8.4 (except it's missing feature X, and also has feature Y which is technically in the 8.5 spec)" in other Apple SoCs
<nicolas17> (A14 and M1 have the same CPU cores)
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