01:18 <wookey[m]> OK. Thanks peeps. 'OS too old' was indeed the problem. I'm installing asahi now.

08:35 <marcan> the installer does have a version check, but macos that old can't even run non-Apple signed binaries from recoveryOS

08:35 <marcan> it's all kinds of broken

08:36 <marcan> I guess we need an early version check in the shell script...

10:18 <janrinze> marcan: the asahi-dev installer worked great, thanks for your hard work on all that.

10:20 <janrinze> On the topic of temperature control, do we have temperature sensor information in /sys/ ? been looking around but i may overlook something.

10:25 <AdamTuby[m]> anyone knows why the `/sys/bus/platform/drivers/apple_m1_cpu_pmu` driver has no `unbind` and `bind` files? I'm trying to bind my own platform driver to the `/sys/bus/platform/devices/pmu-e` `/sys/bus/platform/devices/pmu-p` devices, but there is no trace of how to exactly unbind the original driver from those devices.

10:29 <marcan> janrinze: it's not done yet, the SMC backend is there but not the hwmon subdrive

10:30 <marcan> it's a pretty easy task if someone wants to go for it

10:30 <marcan> there's some bikeshedding to be done around how to name sensors, since SMC only has key names. I think we should put all of that in the DT, but we'll see.

10:43 <janrinze> marcan: thanks, so how do we control the fan to ensure that our CPUs don't over heat?

10:44 <chadmed> its done in firmware automatically at the moment you dont need to touch it

10:44 <janrinze> Oooh.. nice. so it's automagic :-)

10:47 <janrinze> was doing some raymarching tests and the air from the Mac studio's exhaust was nice warm..

10:47 <janrinze> it's hard to keep all those CPUs busy!

12:31 <wookey[m]> OK the installer and the debian instructions from Glanzmann worked very well. wifi didn't work (scen error -52) so I had to plug in ethernet dongle. I've installed xfce4, which was very painless. Now I need to work out how to do a right or middle click on this thing.

12:31 <wookey[m]> Having dpkg on my macbook is amazing!

12:32 <wookey[m]> Oh and the HiDPI display makes all the writing microscopic. I had this on my laptop. Will go and find all the fixes again.

13:02 <janrinze> wookey[m]: congratz..

15:11 <maz> wookey[m]: awesome, glad you put this M1 to a good use! :)

15:58 <zzywysm> marcan: i am trying to build my own m1n1/boot.bin like the one downloaded by the asahi-installer when you choose UEFI environment. (i want to have a custom boot logo, no offense to the lovely asahi logo). can you update your docker container to include the rust bits necessary to build a chainloading m1n1?

16:00 <marcan> I don't maintain the docker stuff, PRs welcome ;)

16:01 <zzywysm> first i gotta find some way to extract the rust build error message from my hobbled Debian QEMU/KVM arm64 image

16:01 <marcan> wookey[m]: you know the KDE Arch image we ship has all the HiDPI stuff worked out out of the box right? ;)

16:40 <ChaosPrincess> trying to recompile kde and getting an error saying that eor3 is not supported on this processor. anyone has an idea why that might happen

16:41 <zzywysm> ChaosPrincess: perhaps your build flags are assuming too many processor features?

16:41 <ChaosPrincess> i have -march=native

16:41 <zzywysm> gcc or clang?

16:41 <ChaosPrincess> gcc

16:42 <zzywysm> what happens if you switch to armv8.2-a instead of native?

16:52 <ChaosPrincess> seems like it helped, ty.

17:32 <clover[m]> Is there a reason GRUB2 was chosen as the default bootloader instead of systemd-boot/gummiboot which is the default option for mkarchiso?

17:33 <psykose> march=native only works if the cpu is recognised afaik, for m1 you need clang15 and for gcc it's not implemented (though you can use -mcpu=armv8.5-a i think)

17:38 <zzywysm> psykose: seems safer to go with armv8.2 and selectively add in the 8.3+ features you need

17:39 <psykose> it either works or it doesn't, it's not a chance game

20:02 <marcan> clover[m]: GRUB2 is more common across distros and we want to be a useful reference for other distros too

22:27 <Darwin> howfy

22:44 <chadmed> psykose: llvm 14 has -mcpu=apple-m1

22:44 <psykose> ay, one earlier :)

22:44 <chadmed> which is just a wrapper for a14 anyway lmao

23:08 <wookey[m]> @marcan: No. I didn't know that, but most of the point for me is to have a normal (for me) debian+xfce environment on this machine, the same as countless other machines over the last 20 years. Arch may have the world's finest linux wiki but I don't want to run it as a distro because I don't know how to drive it. Fixing the desktop for HIDPI is relatively easy - the problem is that every class of stuff needs its own fixes, so there is one for

23:08 <wookey[m]> GDK stuff, one for java stuff, one for the desktop env, and so on (and some stuff just needs fixing upstream in the app e.g wxwindows-apps). I'm not quite sure why we've been given all these dots - they mostly seem to cause trouble and use up memory :-) Once the writing is too small to read then that more than enough dots -)

23:09 <wookey[m]> * @marcan: No. I didn't know that, but most of the point for me is to have a normal (for me) debian+xfce environment on this machine, the same as countless other machines over the last 20 years. Arch may have the world's finest linux wiki but I don't want to run it as a distro because I don't know how to drive it.

23:09 <wookey[m]> Fixing the desktop for HIDPI is relatively easy - the problem is that every class of stuff needs its own fixes, so there is one for GDK stuff, one for java stuff, one for the desktop env, and so on (and some stuff just needs fixing upstream in the app e.g wxwindows-apps). I'm not quite sure why we've been given all these dots - they mostly seem to cause trouble and use up memory :-) Once the writing is too small to read then that's more than

23:09 <wookey[m]> enough dots -)

23:11 <wookey[m]> Anyway I should thank you all for your efforts. I'm very impressed with how far you've got. I really wasn't sure this project would succeed when it was first announced (hard RE projects often don't, or at least not for years). I gave you a plug in my debian 'state of arm' talk. (although that was recorded before I got the install to work - I would have been more effusive a couple of days later :-)

23:12 <Tramtrist> I basically ordered an M2 Air because of this project. have no doubts itll succeed

23:12 <Tramtrist> First Mac ever

23:15 <nicolas17> wookey[m]: I can't find something to quote, but IIRC the ultimate goal of the asahi distro is to cease to exist because all the relevant bits are upstreamed and any normal distro works :)

23:46 <chadmed> while that is the goal i dont think it's gonna happen any time soon

23:46 <chadmed> there will always be new hardware to work on too so its not like everyone just walks off into the sunset once a patch series is merge

23:49 <clover[m]> lol, funny imagery

23:54 <Tramtrist> heh