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<as400>
I'm not sure whether it's relevant to mesa or chromium but it seems like chromium is trying to load panvk ?
<as400>
[12756:8:0412/111027.087807:ERROR:command_buffer_proxy_impl.cc(128)] ContextResult::kTransientFailure: Failed to send GpuControl.CreateCommandBuffer.
<as400>
Error: WARNING: panvk is not a conformant vulkan implementation, pass PAN_I_WANT_A_BROKEN_VULKAN_DRIVER=1 if you know what you're doing. (VK_ERROR_INCOMPATIBLE_DRIVER)
<as400>
Error: eglChooseConfig returned zero configs
<as400>
at Create (../../third_party/dawn/src/dawn/native/opengl/ContextEGL.cpp:53)
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<spuos_>
well, what do you know, it looks like it's coming soon. Nice!
<spuos_>
also I know that thing with Xorg and manjaro happened but I think that was more of a fluke than anything
<ar>
spuos_: properly supporting xorg requires supporting hacks for emulating stuff that doesn't exist in hardware anymore. wayland compositors don't, and give some nice features, like true lack of tearing
<dottedmag>
ar: What was the set of hacks of Xorg again?
<dottedmag>
Aren't they all eradicated with modesetting driver?
<spuos_>
yeah,now I am interested
<ar>
dottedmag: one thing was something around refresh rates/scaling (especially with laptop displays). there was also something else that I don't remember atm
<dottedmag>
oh, yeah. Xorg still cares about CVTs, right?
<dottedmag>
Frankly, I'm amazed CVT is still a thing.
<ar>
and the modesetting driver arguably makes the experience worse, at least on some hardware. some xorg drivers have the "TearFree" option that make tearing less noticable
<ar>
and - iirc - modesetting doesn't provide that
<_jannau_>
modesetting does now too, not sure if already released. the larger issue is that the HW doesn't provide vblank interrupts
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<dottedmag>
_jannau_: So DRM_IOCTL_WAIT_VBLANK doesn't work?
<spuos_>
you know what, while I'm here, has anyone found any general optimizations that aren't a part of the base install? like any power saving settings or anything? I'd be lying to say I know much about sleeping on linux, and I know asahi has some incomplete powersaving stuff to begin with.
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<_jannau_>
dottedmag: yes. DRM_IOCTL_CRTC_GET_SEQUENCE depends on vblank irqs as well
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<dottedmag>
_jannau_: huh. By any chance do you know how Wayland compositors implement wp_presentation?
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<ayke_>
spuos_: I used Xorg for a long time on Asahi Linux. The most major bugs I found are: animations are too fast (due to lack of VSYNC required by Xorg) and flickering cursor (IIRC due to a KDE bug that is only present on Xorg with software cursors, usually hardware has a special cursor layer).
<ayke_>
Apple Silicon supports hardware cursors, but it's not implemented yet.
<ayke_>
While Wayland is supposed to make scaling better, I initially had trouble getting it to work the way I want (especially with fractional scaling). But I've found a configuration that works for me now.
<ayke_>
Wayland has other bugs of course, but it's gotten to the point that the Wayland bugs are less annoying to me than the Xorg bugs.
<mps>
I run xorg and sway in parallel, don't see big differences
<mps>
both have good and bad points
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<noname>
headphones works well, speakers doesnt work at all
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<ChaosPrincess>
that is correct, the speakers do not work
<noname>
thanks, i thought i was wrong
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<chadmed_>
noname: the speakers are still unsafe to use so are disabled by default until we get that all sorted. shouldnt be too much longer, theres just a couple of yaks to shave in the safety daemon and for the DSP