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<ayke_> chadmed: from my side there seems to be a DNS problem
<ayke_> This is with IPv6, so that's not the issue
<ayke_> Oh hey, now it loads
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<marcan> chadmed: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption
<marcan> look at Spain and weep
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<dottedmag> marcan: Iceland is unbeatable
<santa> hey
<dottedmag> chadmed: Still unreachable over v4
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<exstrim401_> hello. what modules do i need to boot from the external ssd on m1 pro? initramfs can't mount root
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<mps> exstrim401_: usb and uas, maybe something more
<mps> usb_storage also
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<exstrim401_> mps: still can't boot unfortunately
<exstrim401_> using "uas phy-apple-atc apple_dart dwc3_of_simple gpio_macsmc tps6598x xhci_plat_hcd xhci_pci usb_storage pcie_apple usbhid xhci_hcd" in initramfs modules
<mps> what is error message
<exstrim401_> couldn't find root partition by uuid
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<exstrim401_> there are no sd* devices in dev
<exstrim401_> dmesg shows nothing when i connect usb storage
<mps> some usb-c to usb-A cables and usb hubs doesn't work
<exstrim401_> i'm using usb-c to usb-c cable
<mps> I have few of them which doesn't work
<mps> iirc also I have one usb-c to usb-c cable which doesn't worked, but if your works from normal boot then it is probably good
<exstrim401_> also tried usb stick with type-c to type-a cable with no success
<mps> usb-c to usb-a cable made by apple with usb stick also doesn't work for me
<mps> but some not famous usb-c hub works
<_jannau_> do you see xhci messages?
<exstrim401_> on any usb device there is silent in dmesg
<_jannau_> is there anything in /sys/kernel/debug/devices_deferred ?
<exstrim401_> no xhci messages
<_jannau_> you probably have to mount debugfs first
<_jannau_> `mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug`
<exstrim401_> platform: supplier 703000000.phy not ready
<exstrim401_> for 702280000.usb
<_jannau_> is nvmem* built as module? if so you need that too
<exstrim401_> nvmem-apple-efuses.ko.zst nvmem_spmi_mfd.ko.zst
<_jannau_> nvmem-apple-efuses
<mps> I have this kmsg when plug usb stick with few usb-c to usb-a cables 'usb usb4: We don't know the algorithms for LPM for this host, disabling LPM.' latest asahi tagged kernel but built locally
<marcan> that is normal
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<mps> with usb-c hub it works fine
<marcan> that message is not an error
<mps> ah, why then machine doesn't see stick
<mps> on the same usb cable ethernet works quite fine
<exstrim401_> _jannau_: thanks! usb is now working but external ssd doesn't detected right away
<exstrim401_> i have to replug it to appear in dev
<exstrim401_> mounted it manually to /new_root and it booted. hooray!
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<j`ey> chadmed_: still cant access your site
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<chadmed_> yeah sorry :/ i think its down to my router being crap at this point
<chadmed_> i might have to return it
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<chadmed_> back to the trusty old ac-68u with freshtomato i guess lmfao
<chadmed_> what a joke
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<marcan> I swear, the goddamn bugs I find...
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<chadmed> is this when trying to open LV2 guis?
<marcan> it's when loading a project file
<marcan> (with plugins in it)
<marcan> I think the build in ALARM does work
<marcan> self-built git does not (maybe the ALARM build is old or used different options or who knows)
<chadmed> yup my builds segfault when loading an lv2 plugin too
<marcan> yeah there you go
<marcan> DEBUG=1 works around it lol
<ar> marcan: just wondering, is this carla the audio plugin thing, or carla the autonomous driving research sim?
<marcan> former
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<nsklaus> what's "alarm" ? arch linux arm , maybe ?
<chadmed> yeah
<nsklaus> thanks for confirmation
<nsklaus> while waiting for m2 pro support to land, i was playing with parallels and vmware fusion and arch
<nsklaus> and i noticed they still haven't fixed their broken core "kbd" package. the keymap for macbook in tty is completely broken.
<chadmed> probably because the virtualised keyboard is a standard ibm pc/at thing
<nsklaus> doing: "loadkeys mac-fr" (or mac-de or mac-it ..) completely breaks the keymap (even switching to a different tty is no more possible then)
<nsklaus> no it's not a problem related to the vituralisation environment, i tested this problem on intel macbooks too,
<nsklaus> i have an old 2015 intel macbookpro too, and the same problem is shown
<nsklaus> i mean with a real linux install on it
<nsklaus> it's broken on arch, but not in fedora and debian, for example
<nsklaus> kbd package on fedora is giving functional and correct keymap on tty
<nsklaus> it's arch they have been packaged kbd wrong, for years
<nsklaus> if not a decade already
<nsklaus> i think some arch derivative distro fixed it, but fix didn't make it to upstream arch. i think artix in particular have proper keymaps
<nsklaus> (i talk from memory, for fedora i'm sure. for artix i'd need to verify and confirm. but one thing that's for sure, we can pick correct keymap from a fedora install and stick them in a arch install, to get correct keymap)
<nsklaus> note this is all about keymap in tty, not x11
<nsklaus> the test to verify is easy: install both distros (arch and fedora) drop to tty (ctrl-alt-fx), then test: inputing chars like: |, ~, /, for example
<nsklaus> if you cannot do that, it mean the keymap needs to be ajusted, you are using generic "fr" or "us" and you need to add the variant
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<nsklaus> and when you do that, on fedora it works, on arch it renders the keyboard completely unusable state
<nsklaus> *in completely unusable state
<nsklaus> most people don't notice because they rarely work in tty, even those who use heavily term, they do it from and X session, where keymaps work correctly there
<nsklaus> from wayland too i think
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<nsklaus> idealy, their should be some kind of unification in linux about keymap support, i don't understand why there is a need for two keymap systems
<nsklaus> (one for tty, and another for X and wayland)
<nsklaus> it leads to the situation where you could have working keymap in X and wayland, but partialy working only in tty (or completely broken in case of arch with macbooks)
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<nsklaus> is 97% perfect
<nsklaus> that fr-mac.map.gz from suse
<nsklaus> it conserns us, fr, it, de region, basicaly everyone using linux on macbook, when in tty
<nsklaus> *concerns
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<marcan> meanwhile in pipewire land, another bug fixed: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/3070
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<_jannau_> that's useful information as I blame the window thumbnails for for the dmabuf "leaks" I see with plasma and the gpu driver
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<marcan> in principle that one only affects jack
<marcan> but it could be a similar race somewhere else
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<_jannau_> yes, the information o how the window thumbnails work was interesting. issue looks racy though. I suspect it leaks either if the window is activated before the window thumbnail is shown (but already requested) or too quickly after the thumbnail is shown
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<felix_> Hello, I'm interested in the latest Apple hardware, more specifically a macbook pro with a M2 Max. From the wiki, it looks like the support isn't great for that version, it that correct?
<j`ey> felix_: yeah, not yet
<felix_> What is the general state of the support? Is that just not usable, or are there some features missing, like bluetooth or something. In the latter case, I don't mind.
<felix_> Also, if it's not usable at all, what's the oom of the upcoming support (weeks, months?)
<j`ey> it's not part of the non-expert installer currently
<j`ey> jannau: is the screen working on the m2 max laptops?
<felix_> Oh, that doesn't sound bad, does it? Does it mean that one has to install it in command line, instead of using a GUI or something?
<j`ey> there's no GUI for the installer at all! but it just means that you know what youre doing/developing it/no support
<jannau> it's not part of the regular installer at all. work to support them is on-going and most features will work
<ChaosPrincess> for laptops with m2 max, i'd say its soon-ish
<marcan> there are no package builds for that machine and there is no support. it is a work in progress. do not try it unless you are a developer interested in helping.
<ChaosPrincess> or you can already play with it, but no support and no bug reports
<jannau> wlan and bluetooth don't work yet and it unclear when we will offer support in some way
<marcan> the dev installer right now will give you an outright unbootable system, you need to manually load an up to date kernel via USB.
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<marcan> j`ey: that is not released in any tagged installer release
<marcan> (for a reason)
<marcan> none of the images have been updated, that's only there so other developers can set it up
<marcan> the kernel stuff isn't even in our main branch yet
<j`ey> marcan: yeah, my bad, forgot there was also the dev installer
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<felix_> Thanks for the answer everyone :) I don't care about wlan, bluetooth and stuff. I just want a powerful development laptop.
<nicolas17> well current status of published code is "doesn't boot" :)
<ChaosPrincess> not having wifi on a dev laptop sounds suboptimal :P
<felix_> There is something I don't understand: I thought that Asahi was a distro, but I've seen people using Fedora on a M1. Does it mean that the improvements from Asahi are put into the Linux main branch? So the Asahi distro is always one step forward compared to other distros?
<felix_> @ChaosPrincess Oh, no wifi without wlan?
<nicolas17> wlan and wifi are two terms for the same thing
<ChaosPrincess> asahi is both a distro and a project to upstream the support for those machines into the kernel
<felix_> Oh right, sorry ^^'
<ChaosPrincess> and you can hack together any distro to work with asahi kernels
<ChaosPrincess> i personally am using gentoo
<bcrumb> exactly but you don't have to hack as much together for using it with arch
<ChaosPrincess> and yes, some parts are upstream already, but its not usable yet
<nicolas17> felix_: kernel improvements from asahi are eventually upstreamed, but only once they're fully polished, the userspace API is stable, the code went through the Linux kernel mailing list bikeshedding, etc
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<nicolas17> but you can run asahi's kernel on another distro: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/SW%3AAlternative-Distros
<felix_> Oh, so I can expect a few months, even a year, to go by before I can use a Fedora on the M2 laptop with wifi
<ChaosPrincess> it will be ready as soon as it ready and not a day sooner :P
<nicolas17> I use Asahi (Arch-based) on M2 with wifi, I haven't tried alternative distros
<ChaosPrincess> but laptops are most likely to be ready before mac mini
<j`ey> felix_: certainly sooner than a year
<nicolas17> but the M2 Pro/Max models are different
<felix_> I'm asking because there will be a new framework laptop end of 2023 that I'm interested in, so maybe it'll be available before the M2 pro support 👅️
<nicolas17> afaik M2 Pro is "just" a trimmed down M2 Max, but they have significant differences vs the M2
<felix_> I meant M2 max sorry
<j`ey> felix_: I guess just keep your eye on thing and see what happens in the next few months
<ChaosPrincess> framework does have the advantage of being x86
<j`ey> *disadvantage
<felix_> It's much less power efficient
<ChaosPrincess> j`ey: tell that to my game library :P
<j`ey> :'(
<felix_> I've seen a post about gaming on Asahi (not any game, but a couple of them at least)
<nicolas17> yeah
<nicolas17> apparently Portal runs on Asahi but not on macOS lol
<felix_> Ahah
<jannau> I would guess support for the m2 pro/max laptops will be at the same level as the m1 pro/max ones before the the framework laptop is available
<nicolas17> (Valve never released an x86_64 version for macOS, let alone ARM64)
<felix_> You mean with Wifi? Because it's actually quite useful, I agree with ChaosPrincess on that point
<j`ey> felix_: yes
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<jannau> there will be a fedora asahi remix (no yet officially announced) which uses the asahi downstream kernel with HW support
<bcrumb> plx qubes
<felix_> I'm used to Fedora (it's been my distrib for years) so that's great nexs
<nicolas17> I once needed more speed than what I was getting from Wi-Fi and plugged in my Ethernet adapter... it was slower... that's when I remembered Asahi didn't have USB3 yet at the time >_<
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<felix_> Does the project take some find of blockchain tokens as financial support? I still have some I got as a payment for a job, and I cannot do anything with it at the moment.
<nicolas17> there's GitHub Sponsors and Patreon
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<nicolas17> up to those platforms whether they support cryptocurrencies or not
<ChaosPrincess> i believe people that do have sponsorships setup are not super into crypto.
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<felix_> I assume they don't.
<felix_> ChaosPrincess: well, I'm not into it, like I find that cool, but I work for blockchain company because they pay big money
<ChaosPrincess> not for long :P but feel free to fleece those dumbos while the money still flows
<felix_> That's the plan, and most of the devs around me (even higher ups) think like that :P
<felix_> Only marketing people and alike think it's useful
<nicolas17> can't you convert it to real money? :P
<felix_> Anyway, I think I'll pay $24 a month, it's not a lot for me, but it makes the difference.
<felix_> nicolas17: I would have to pay taxes on them, I'm on the verge to move into a tax heaven though, I'll do that in a couple of month
<nicolas17> if you donated bitcoin to an asahi developer, they would have to pay taxes on them
<felix_> Isn't that the case with regular donated moneu?
<felix_> Hm, I didn't think about it, but if they live in the USA, they cannot sell them, I think
<marcan> I once took a bitcoin donation early on but it was a hassle and I have since distanced myself from that entire world. I no longer have an exchange account and have no plans to open one.
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<nicolas17> I once sent bitcoin to someone who then sent real money on my behalf to openstreetmap
<nicolas17> if you can't easily do that (it kinda wasn't back then, and it's probably worse now) then one could question the real value of that token :P
<felix_> I'm suscribing to Github sponsor, and there is a tickbox “Receive email updates from marcan”. How often are they sent?
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<nicolas17> I assume not much... but I'm sure you can always disable that later
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<felix_> Fair enough. I suscribed: I hope it'll really help for the holy struggle to bring Linux even more everywhere.
<knedlik> Hey guys! I'm a software developer with not-as-much-as-I-want experience under my belt, and as a Macbook user, I would like to help! I'm guessing #asahi-dev would be the right place to start?
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<kristibek> Hello everyone
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<knedlik> Hello!
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