marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi
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<weitcis>
> error: asahi-fwextract: signature from "Hector Martin Cantero <marcan@marcan.st>" is invalid
<weitcis>
has anyone seen this while updating?
<weitcis>
> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/asahi-fwextract-0.5pre2-3-any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
<marcan>
sounds like your pacman keyring is broken
<marcan>
try pacman-key --populate asahilinux
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<whyirc>
Hello. Can I ask for tips on buying a macbook here?
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<cy8aer>
@whyirc: Probably better on #asahi-alt
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<whyirc>
Aren't #asahi-alt "For discussion and support for unofficial third-party distro ports"?
<kode54>
maybe #asahi-offtopic instead?
<j`ey>
I think it's fine for here
<whyirc>
Looks like #asahi-offtopic doesn't exist
<j`ey>
assuming it's an apple silicon macbook
<whyirc>
At least there's no messages in logs
<whyirc>
Of course it's apple silicon
<j`ey>
whyirc: what's your question?
<waldi>
whyirc: well. if you want to run asahi right now, everything apart M2 pro/ultra
<whyirc>
I have 2 options - 14" m2 pro 12 cores 32 gb / 1tb and 16" m1 pro 10 cores 32gb / 1tb
<whyirc>
Because i live in a asshole there's no apple store so i can't just see them and compare irl
<whyirc>
And delivery time is 2-3 month, so asahi support for m2 pro/max doesn't matter
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<whyirc>
waldi, asahi account on mastodon said that m2 pro/max support is almost done, except for wifi
<ChaosPrincess>
are you ok with potentially running macos for quite some while
<whyirc>
As i already said - delivery time is 2-3 months, so yes
<ChaosPrincess>
then just buy on what specs you need/want
<whyirc>
Biggest question is will 14" be enough for programming(huge rust projects)? Like I said, I live the fuck knows where so I can't just go to the apple store/reseller store and compare. Obviously this is subjective, I'm just interested in personal expiriences those who own 14" or 16" models...
<ChaosPrincess>
i have a m1pro 14inch 10c 32gb/1tb, the only time i was disappointed in the spec is when i tried to finetune llama on it
<whyirc>
So no troubles with small screen?
<j`ey>
whyirc: do you already have a laptop?
<ChaosPrincess>
whyirc: no, but its the largest screen laptop i ever owned, so take that into account
<whyirc>
I had a 15" chineese craptop in the past, no problems with it's screen size (but alot of problems with +-everything else)
<j`ey>
16" doesnt look very portable to me, 14" seems like a good compromise
<ChaosPrincess>
some people write java, and in those cases, yea, you need an ultrawide jsut to fit more than 1 class name
<j`ey>
zing
<whyirc>
Rust mostly, but i use ultrawide monitor)
<ChaosPrincess>
yea, i dont get ultrawides, so take that into account.
<whyirc>
Thatnk anyway
<whyirc>
thanks*
<ChaosPrincess>
and i wrote java on 720p 13 inch monitor and it was fine.
<whyirc>
Wow, that's hardcore
<ChaosPrincess>
just what you get when you are a kid and you keep using whatever laptop your parents bought you years ago :P
<whyirc>
Same thing)
<handlerug>
I had a 16" laptop but I did not know it was 16" so when I wanted to buy the 16" macbook I thought "wow it must be huge and so comfortable to code on"
<handlerug>
same thing, my parents gifted me the old laptop
<chadmed>
i wrote the initial speakersafetyd stuff on this 14" and i found it fine at 200% kde scaling
<chadmed>
ive held a 16" and its just too damn big
<j`ey>
I still use an 11" macbook air, so the 13" m1 mba feels big
<handlerug>
I don't have a desktop, so...
<handlerug>
a desktop computer I mean
<j`ey>
nor me :)
<pipppero>
i just recently started appreciating 200% scaling, it's a lot less space but everything is so crisp
<chadmed>
i like not getting a headache using my computer ;)
<Soni>
can you print "this software is made with love by a queer transgender person" to dmesg in a release?
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<Soni>
(how do you send feature requests?)
<chadmed>
not all of the software is made by queer trans folks and there are better ways to combat fascist dropkicks than printing a console message to something barely anyone ever reads
<chadmed>
telling them to go fuck themselves usually does the trick
<j`ey>
Soni: you could open a github issue, but I guess it's unlikely to be done
<Soni>
in which repo tho
<j`ey>
the asahi linux one
<chadmed>
whichever one pertains to the software you want to print the message i guess
<j`ey>
asahilinux/linux
<chadmed>
but as mentioned its probably not going to happen
<mps>
for about 15 years I use only laptops, and last 8 years only arm ones. Chromebooks are fine but macbook displays are better
<dottedmag>
Soni: You need to consider the medium, the message and the audience. Typical dmesg readers are very unlikely to be a target audience for this message.
<chadmed>
ive tried to daily laptops multiple times but i just find them too contrary to proper ergonomics
<mps>
chadmed: especially in mainline kernel will only software message be accepted
<waldi>
j`ey: sadly the NAME variable in the top level Makefile is never really used
<Soni>
dottedmag: it does not matter
<j`ey>
waldi: you mean you dont call it Linux Hurr durr I'ma ninja sloth
<Soni>
but if typical dmesg readers are that bad, then we don't see the harm in weeding them out
<waldi>
j`ey: yep, sadly this is the case
<mps>
well, I have remote development machines for long time so practically my laptops were mostly ssh clients and browser machines
<chadmed>
Soni: what do you think these hypothetical fascists will do when they see the message? stop using computers?
<j`ey>
Soni: maybe ask on the LKML, then it will be on all distros, not just asahi
<Soni>
get themselves banned
<chadmed>
i... dont think thats how it works
<redlegion>
reminds me of debian's bugged PRNG. it's surprising what makes it and doesn't make it into any widely distributed code base
<mps>
for me good keyboards are equally important as displays
<mps>
so yes, macbooks is ok because of keyboard/display combo
<mps>
and this is main reason I use macbook
<redlegion>
I dig the crap out of my 14" M1 MBP
<mps>
(till good riscv laptop come)
<redlegion>
mps: I wish. not enough people are aware to drive that into production.
<mps>
actually, for me m1pro 16" is to big, would prefer 14"
<redlegion>
same
<redlegion>
the M1 Max in 14" form factor does feel kind of constrained, though
<redlegion>
I don't have "performance mode" like the 16" does.
<mps>
I have m1 macbook 14" but it is unstable, survived washing under the shower
<redlegion>
holy what
<redlegion>
I just read that sentence like five times and it's still not clicking
<redlegion>
mps: how?
<mps>
poured red wine over keyboard and washed it with shover, I thought it is waterproof but learned it is not
<redlegion>
oof
<redlegion>
it very much is not
<redlegion>
even mil-spec "Toughbooks" are only "IPX water resistant" most of the time
<redlegion>
and you're talking spending $10k on a i3
<mps>
it boots but only when on power cable
<redlegion>
I can imagine
<redlegion>
you probably popped a few caps at a minimum
<mps>
only serious damage is physical click on touchpad doesn't work
<redlegion>
any USB ports survive?
<mps>
yes, everyting
<mps>
it is very usable but need cable power supply to boot, after boot it works fine on battery
<redlegion>
that's wild
<mps>
sometimes it even boot when on battery only, but this is HWRNG :)
<mps>
but it could be good museum exponate because it was first m1 running asahi kernel used for daily driver workstation in the world, afaik
<Soni>
j`ey: we don't think the upstream maintainers have nearly as much incentive to do it as some of the maintainers on here personally do
<Soni>
we mean maybe we're wrong, but... yeah
<j`ey>
Soni: if you feel strongly still, open a gh issue
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<cy8aer>
@irc_oftc_whyirc:g3la.de: Because of the 3:2 form factor 14'' is quite big for me.
<cy8aer>
Lid size == Screen size.
<cy8aer>
I have a 13'' ThinkPad Yoga 12 with the same lid size and HD resolution with centimeters of borders all around and now this size is really (to) small for me now.
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<i509vcb>
I've been following the color transformation proposal for dri-devel. I was wondering what do we know about the hardware's capabilities (I assume DCP in this context) related to color transformations.