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<artemist>
I've had a lot of displaylink issues on macos, not sure if their linux drivers are any better
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<PaulFertser>
artemist: the driver is completely different, why should the result be similar?
<chadmed>
PaulFertser: because displaylink just sucks in general regardless of platform
<chadmed>
even on windows, no colour transform support
<PaulFertser>
chadmed: showing slides isn't that demanding so the transform can happen on CPU without anyone noticing I guess?
<chadmed>
ok but what if i want night colour on my monitors :)
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<ydalton>
eiln: maybe a dumb question, but how different are the m1 neural engine and the m2 neural engine? you can't just slap "apple,t8112-ane" in ane_of_match?
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<eiln>
ydalton: I usually hang around in #asahi-dev, though I read backlogs for both
<eiln>
I don't have an M2 so I don't know. I try to avoid reading disassembly, esp with the path I took there.
<eiln>
for starters, the iommu workaround is t8103/t6000 specific, as M2+ has very different DART registers; but that we discovered is actually multiple DARTs and we don't need that gross hack anymore
<eiln>
as for the engine itself, there's a pretty amusing story behind it. tldr they tried to maxx FOPS by literally stacking two identical t8103 ane's next to eachother, without any further effort, thus making no way for cross-device communication or memory sharing. now the m1 max has a fused-off (i.e. dead) ane. double for ultra
<eiln>
from command stream samples I know they took a somewhat different approach to the M2, but it's unlikely changes needed at the driver (..) level. you're free to test it out :)
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<ydalton>
eiln: thanks for your answer! is there some kind of conformance suite i could use to see if ane is working properly?
<ydalton>
maybe it was best to send it in #asahi-dev now that i think about it...
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<i509vcb>
I'm curious, has someone tried to virtualize macOS under Linux (or at least share the hardware with a VM) yet on the arm macs or is that something that's far more complicated?
<sven>
there’s a special vm kernel that works without apples custom instructions and I believe agraf got that working inside qemu
<sven>
not sure if that was with a Mac OS or Linux host though
<sven>
but for a Linux just you’d need to implement their gpu para virt and no one has reverse engineered that yet
<sven>
s/just/host/
<i509vcb>
Yeah gpu passthrough would be nice to expose so that I can use agx in both the host and vm
<j`ey>
i509vcb: someone has that working in some form
<j`ey>
can't link the mastodon right now, but if someone else doesnt, I will link it later
<j`ey>
well, I think that might have be some form of paravir too, maybe not passthrough
<pounce>
does asahi have problems on 5ghz wifi?
<pounce>
i remember somebody asking be whether i was using it awhile ago
<pounce>
and wifi quality today has been real bad (on a 5ghz network)
<_jannau__>
j`ey: do you mean @slp's work? that won't help with macos since it passes the asahi linux kernel uapi through
<j`ey>
_jannau__: not exactly sure, the person was running portal I think, and I guess i509vcb was talking about linux (unrelated to the macOS VM question)
<j`ey>
pounce: there are issues with 2.4GHZ and using bluetooth at the same time, that's why you might have been asked about 5GHZ
<pounce>
yes, i was using bluetooth
<pounce>
ok probably just my university having a bad AP then
<pounce>
thanks for the context :)
<j`ey>
_jannau__: which is why I then realised that passing the uapi through wouldnt help i509vcb, if they wanted to try dev for agx inside a VM?
<_jannau__>
pounce: 5ghz bandwidth might be sometimes less than expected but not bad enough to start looking into it
<agraf>
sven: There's a video about that :)
<agraf>
sven: It's macOS-on-macOS only right now. GPU virtualization is a binary only framework
<agraf>
It's also hvf only. With TCG, it doesn't work out of the box. IIRC Apple has some implicit PAC initialization. I don't remember if there was more :)
<i509vcb>
i509vcb: no not for dev in a vm, agx doesn't exactly have great process isolation, let alone vm isolation if that stands true
<i509vcb>
It's more of a convince thing if I need to spin up macOS for something
<j`ey>
i509vcb: oh ok, I just saw you were looking at the agxv stuff and assumed it was for that
<sven>
agraf: a video? I guess you have a talk somewhere? :)
<i509vcb>
Even with the instabilities of agxv, I don't find myself needing to reboot much anyways
<i509vcb>
Well unless I try to run the full dEQP which currently has a lot of issues that will deadlock the gpu
<i509vcb>
Apple is certainly doing something for their virtualization framework if it can run in a window. Although I don't know if the image being run there is the actual M1/M2 image for the machines for a special virtualized image
<j`ey>
i509vcb: see the link _jannau__ pasted, that's what I was thinking about
<agraf>
i509vcb: watch the video above :)
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<i509vcb>
s/for a/or
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<pounce>
netsplit D:
<i509vcb>
Ok I'll watch the video in a bit
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<qvy>
Hey there
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<jb1277976>
I swore i made a mistake when i got this m1 mbp. you can't do anyting on it yet. I just thought that i'm going to school let me get the best laptop i can get!
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<PaulFertser>
jb1277976: what features do you miss for your school tasks?
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<ydalton>
hi, i was wondering if there was a program to view agx utilization? similar to radeontop for amdgpu or nvidia-smi for nvidia?
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