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<bluetail[m]> <Glanzmann> "bluetail: There is a cpufreq..." <- Can you also turn off devices over GPIO in an intel imac 2019? One of the reasons I dont use it is its high energy usage. But since I dont want to keep it, I am probably sending it back this august.... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iNpWYEwyptqRijvnbKroHwXa)
<bluetail[m]> Also when I'm testing debian on my m1, I want to report whether color output is 'fixed' or not
<bluetail[m]> Since I'm very curious. As far as I experienced, macOS does make something with the display output which is hardcoded into the system...
<bluetail[m]> Also, would I be able to transfer the settings from my current (intel) Debian into the new installation?
<bluetail[m]> > <@_oftc_Glanzmann:matrix.org> bluetail: There is a cpufreq driver. On the air you can get away with 10% per hours more or less. So something between 7 - 10 hours of battery during normal work.... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/vwcSCAnwXltmhWkgeuxbUFmb)
<bluetail[m]> Over time I might be running 4 mac mini instead of multiple 'normal' systems
<bluetail[m]> but then at least the direct hdmi output should be okay, at least in my assumption
<bluetail[m]> right now I'm doing VNC to circumvent it...
<bluetail[m]> m1 consumption is great. I'm between 4 and 8w idle and 25w load...
<chadmed> yeah its great, even using llvmpipe the battery life in linux is fantastic now with working cpufreq
<chadmed> itll be far nicer once we can offload display and rendering stuff to the dcp and gpu respectively
<chadmed> especially if we ever get VRR so the screen stops refreshing when theres nothing happening on it
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<marcan> VinDuv: can you re-paste that USB installer thing? looks like it expired
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<marcan> thanks
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<j`ey> damn thats cool, nice VinDuv!
<marcan> I'm going to try to use that for step2
<tmlind> fyi maybe old news already but looks like CONFIG_DRM=m needs to be changed to y in .config to have SIMPLEDRM
<marcan> streaming in a bit
<marcan> tmlind: yes, the kernel config needs fixes, I'll do a round of kernel wrapup too
<tmlind> marcan: ok thanks
<mps> here is my config http://ix.io/3QEI works very fine and stable, 4K pages version
<mps> tmlind: what distro you are using
<tmlind> mps: same old alpine dev for about a year now :)
<mps> tmlind: fyi, current edge version works fine
<tmlind> i redid my partitions to get rid of the old 70gb boot partition, still need to restore
<tmlind> mps: yes i'm current as of yesterday
<mps> tmlind: current is practically rolling release, though officially it is development branch
<_jannau_> tmlind: which .config? the linux-asahi config in the PKGBUILDs has DRM and SIMPLEDRM builtin: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/PKGBUILDs/blob/main/linux-asahi/config
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<tmlind> _jannau_: looks like arch/arm64/configs/defconfig in current asahi branch recently got CONFIG_DRM changed to m causing SIMPLEDRM no longer getting selected
<j`ey> not recently
<tmlind> lcd worked yesterday, then no screen today after updating until i changed CONFIG_DRM=y and readded SIMPLEDRM
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<tmlind> hmm maybe it was my local config change then that caused it, i added some patches locally to the defconfig after make savedefconfig
<tmlind> looks like the m1 config options list needs CONFIG_DRM=y added to https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/DesktopKernel
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<Glanzmann> tmlind: Should I do it or will you do it?
<tmlind> Glanzmann: please do when you get a chance :)
<Glanzmann> done.
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<tmlind> thanks!
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<landscape15[m]> Why can’t you run Linux with 4K page size on Apple Silicon? There is some software that have issues with 16K
<j`ey> landscape15[m]: because the IOMMU only supports 16K pages
<j`ey> but there is a patch for it, so you can run 4K, its just not a part of the main asahi branch currently
<Glanzmann> landscape15[m]: It will be a little bit slower.
<landscape15[m]> j`ey: ok thanks. Is this the patch https://tg.st/u/0001-4k-iommu-patch.patch?
<j`ey> yes
* sven really needs to get back to that one
<j`ey> that email says "Time to revive this series:
<j`ey> " :D
<landscape15[m]> Glanzmann: so I hope devs will optimize their software. Is there some improvement with the patch?
<sven> yeah, I’ve abandon it once before :D
<Glanzmann> landscape15[m]: Chrome works. And the stuff that uses webkit.
<Glanzmann> landscape15[m]: It appears that everyone will run 16k in here due to better performance. But there is one guy who likes vscode which only works with 4k pages.
<landscape15[m]> Since I’m using Firefox (WebKit based) I have no problem. So why do we need a patch?
<j`ey> ff isnt webkit based
<psykose> secret webkit ff fork
<j`ey> you dont need that 4k iommu patch if everything works fine for you with 16K
<mps> sven: userspace software will be fixed in not distant future, but f2fs works only with 4K and I'm not sure will it be fixed in reasonable time
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<sven> there’s also still the question if most distros want to ship a 16k kernel
<sven> that’s likely almost twice the QA effort
<sven> ideally we would at least support most installers out of the box
<landscape15[m]> j`ey: yeah the software I need works good. I also use open source ide which seems to work with 16K. I only thing it’s not reasonable to force using 16K, since other distri will have to adapt
<j`ey> landscape15[m]: hence the patch
<arnd> Fedora and Debian are traditionally trying to limit the number of kernels as much as possible, Armbian and Arch OTOH seem to be fine with shipping board specific kernels
<sven> and then later users can switch to an optimized kernel for those distros that want to stick to 4k
<sven> and that patch essentially already works, just need to change things a bit around
<sven> but right now usb3 is more interesting, then I have to submit nvme and maybe then I’ll get back to it ;)
<arnd> Ubuntu already ships both 4K and 64K kernels, it's possible that they could be convinced to either add a third one, or replace the 64K one, as there are only very few machines that benefit from larger pages but can't do 16K
<mps> arnd: when I looked last time to Arch alarm looks like they are moving to unified kernels
<arnd> mps: ok, good (in general, not necessarily for asahi)
<mps> arnd: yes, I guess they will make asahi flavour
<mps> alpine linux though has unified ones, 4K
<landscape15[m]> arnd: I have more hope with Kali, since already ships an M1 build for Parallels Desktop
<j`ey> that's probably just a generic arm64 image
<mps> arnd: and for alpine linux I have already prepared 4K and 16K but didn't merged, waiting for 5.18 release when most things merged to mainline
<arnd> it looks like the testing done on Ubuntu was rather minimal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2020-September/113596.html
<arnd> The main downside of the 64K kernel what happens when you get into low memory conditions and start swapping, it pretty much becomes unusable then, 16K pages are much closer to the behavior you get with 4K, but give most of the same benefits
<arnd> so presumably showing some actual numbers may make them change it
<arnd> I think there are very few systems with a Cortex-A57 or A72 that have enough RAM to benefit from 64K pages, and no A53 ones
<arnd> everything later can do 16K pages anyway
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<arnd> (technically also A64fx wants 64K pages, but I think if you have one of those, you want a custom kernel anyway)
<mps> hmm, mt8173 (mediatek soc) doesn't work even with 16K
<mps> I'm too busy these days to check on rk3399
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<j`ey> arnd: and you have a lot of memory :P
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<Glanzmann> marcan: In order to try the new installer, we need to build it change the repo url to our own server, correct? Or anything else what is important missing?
<arnd> mps: both are Cortex-A72, but are effectively limited to 4GB, so you definitely don't want 64KB pages
<mps> arnd: yes, but have to check with 16K (didn't considered 64K, makes no sense)
<j`ey> neither cortex-a72 or cortex-a53 support 16K
<mps> j`ey: oh
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<arnd> rk35xx and mt8183 do support 16KB pages and >4GB RAM
<mps> I see this kernel commit for f2fs 0b8fc00601c0d8bea19667bbc66f00e13d954e4a, looks like they plan to support other page sizes
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<arnd> mps: supporting larger page sizes in f2fs definitely makes sense, as it already optimizes for writing 64KB+ sized chunks. Not sure why you care though, do you have a storage device that benefits from using f2fs over ext4?
<j`ey> arnd: mt8183 still has some cortex-a53s?
<arnd> j`ey: oh, you are right, sorry
<arnd> mt8192
<arnd> and later would have new enough cores then
<mps> arnd: I'm using f2fs on all my mmc's, SD card, usb disk and ssd, found it somewhat faster than ext4 and quite stable
<arnd> mps: ok, that's fine, it definitely helps on SD cards and USB sticks as well as lower-end eMMC, not so sure about proper SSDs (regardless of NVMe/SATA/USB attachment)
<arnd> I would expect the overhead of doing double wear leveling and GC between f2fs and the SSD to cost more than it can possibly gain
<mps> arnd: well, i didn't made any benchmark, that is just from my experience
<mps> so I don't have numbers
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<arnd> proper SSDs tend to be fast enough with any file system that you wouldn't notice the downsides of f2fs unless you do real measurements, for the low-end stuff, the benefits of f2fs should be very noticeable
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<mps> i can get similar performance with ext4 only when disabling journal on it
<mps> arnd: yes, there is no big perfomance difference on ssd
<mps> s/perfomance/performance/
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<mps> mt8173 have two Cortex-A72 and two Cortex-A53
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<tmlind> Glanzmann: hmm so what's the "turn off the screen" gpio trick you mentioned earlier?
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<mps> tmlind: it sets brightness to 0, i.e. blanks screen
<mps> baklight, I mean
<tmlind> but which gpio? need to use /sys/class/gpio or something for it?
<mps> s/baklight/backlight/
<j`ey> tmlind: you need a patch to the DTS to get it working
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<mps> tmlind: /sys/class/backlight/backlight/ files
<tmlind> empty for me, i guess i'm missing some module
<mps> tmlind: patch from glanzman and config options in kernel
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<tmlind> ok
<tmlind> thanks
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<mps> patch is here https://tpaste.us/bnM4
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<mps> if you can't find where Glanzman put original
<mps> tmlind: are you using u-boot or HV to boot machine
<j`ey> and CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_GPIO
<tmlind> mps: i'm using m1n1 with appended kernel, hoping to switch to kexecboot at some point to have a nice boot menu
<mps> tmlind: you can use u-boot and have menu
<mps> even grub if like it
<tmlind> mps: yeah, i like kexecboot :)
<mps> tmlind: ok
<j`ey> tmlind: kexec needs more work since there's no PSCI yet
<tmlind> ok
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<tmlind> nice gpio backlight works thanks for the links :)
<tmlind> hmm i guess the lid open/close gpio is still missing
<j`ey> there's a gpio for the lid and a drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys_polled.c which work, but I dont think anyone has tried it
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<tmlind> j`ey: ok
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<marcan> updated installer is in the usual place, it now installs an Arch Linux ARM image (or a plain u-boot, or just m1n1)
<kettenis> does it also put the firmware tar file on the ESP?
<marcan> the step2 thing has been redone with VinDuv's findings, so now you just select the OS from the boot menu and it magically pops up step2.sh (you still need to hold down the power button, a regular boot will still loop)
<marcan> yes
<kettenis> cool, thanks!
<marcan> still no macOS resizing / partition sizing logic, and other things are missing, so it's not "done"
<marcan> oh, also, it only has t8103 DTBs so far...
<marcan> kettenis: want to add the t6k ones to u-boot, or should I figure out some other repo for this?
<kettenis> I'll add them
<marcan> also, for the m1n1 proxy backdoor: `bputil -a` and `nvram boot-args=-v` from 1TR will enable m1n1 verbose boot and make it wait 5 seconds for a proxy or hv-uart connection (ACM device open), if one happens it breaks into proxy mode, otherwise u-boot
<kettenis> at this point they're straight copies of the ones from asahi linux
<marcan> also missing is the ESP selection stuff for u-boot
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<marcan> going to get some dinner :)
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<marcan> tmlind: lid open/close is via an SMC HID event, and yeah, not done yet
<marcan> I should do it before the release too, I have a few loose kernel ends like that
<_jannau_> kettenis: u-boot is a convenient place to get the dtb's from during te installer build
<marcan> it's trivial
<j`ey> _jannau_: thats where it gets them from already
<marcan> and yeah, otherwise it'd be a dtbs repo based on that extracted one from linux plus asahi updates
<marcan> but if u-boot is going to keep them updated that works for me
<_jannau_> I could modify the linux-asahi PKGBUILD to install the DTBs as well
<marcan> not much use for that tbh, it's not necessarily the ones I'd want to use for an installer build
<marcan> and once we have chainloading, it'd still be a separate package since m1n1 will probably need changes for certian dtb changes anyway
<marcan> I don't really want to decouple m1n1 from dtbs just yet, at least for end users
<marcan> too easy to get into a situation where kboot fails on a new dtb for some reason
<marcan> not sure I want to promise forward-compat there just yet :)
<tmlind> marcan: thanks for the lid info
<j`ey> marcan: so in RELEASE mode of m1n1 (without -v in boot-args), it only prints the logo?
<_jannau_> yes, and eventually the dtb should come from m1n1 anyway
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<_jannau_> I think we can use git-filter-repo to create a minimal apple device-tree only repo to be used as submodule
<marcan> j`ey: unless it falls into proxy mode, then it shows the console anyway
<marcan> _jannau_: IIRC someone already did that based on rob's dt-only tree
<_jannau_> I need to look how large the dt-bindings include history is
<David[m]1234> I have the following error when running the installer : ```Using OS 'Macintosh HD' (disk5s1) for machine authentication.... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UJGdJjcirZPvLWHapckXEcQH)
<_jannau_> marcan: if you mean the m1n1 PR it was me
<marcan> David[m]1234: how are you running the OS?
<marcan> *the installer
<marcan> you need to set REPO_BASE to the base of the OS repo if you're not running it via bootstrap.sh
<David[m]1234> via `curl -L https://mrcn.st/alxsh | sh`
<marcan> I'm not entirely sure how that is possible
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<marcan> oh wait... bet sudo is filtering environment vars?
<marcan> run it as root
<David[m]1234> it is run as root
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<David[m]1234> s/as/using/, s/root/sudo/
<marcan> did you get the "The installer needs to run as root." prompt?
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<David[m]1234> no
<marcan> ok, then I don't know
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<j`ey> marcan: how do you enable logging?
<marcan> it's logging to /tmp/asahi-installer/installer.log
<j`ey> David[m]1234: can you paste the contents of ^
<marcan> but it could use with more logging
<marcan> j`ey: the thing is the log won't have anything terribly useful for that error
<j`ey> I was thinking if REPO_BASE was somehow empty, but thne it'd be /os, not ./os, so hm
<j`ey> David[m]1234: try `su root` and then run it, not sudo
<David[m]1234> don't have log
<j`ey> it's probably at /private/tmp/asahi-installer/installer.log
<David[m]1234> nor ; no error running as root
<marcan> j`ey: if the var is not present it defaults to "."
<marcan> I added some more logging
<j`ey> marcan: yeah I was thinking it might have somehow been REPO_BASE=""
<j`ey> but it seems to be related to sudo, if it worked when David[m]1234 ran as root
<marcan> that's what I said
<j`ey> yup
<marcan> that sudo wasn't passing through environment variables
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<marcan> anyway it should be fixed
<marcan> off to dinner
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<j`ey> marcan: ciao
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<blassphemy[m]> Installer seems to work fine for me. However, I get an "ERROR: Kernel found but no devicetree for apple,j316s available" while booting up
<blassphemy[m]> is that still expected at this point in time?
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<marcan> yes
<marcan> 23:51:14 <@marcan> oh, also, it only has t8103 DTBs so far...
<blassphemy[m]> alright, thanks!
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<kit_ty_kate> does anyone know how to enable wifi on the reference distro? "ip a" doesn’t show anything but lo0 and there doesn’t seem to be any wifi package preinstalled
<as400[m]> Is wifi firmware in place ?
<kit_ty_kate> as400[m]: ah indeed it wasn’t untared, thanks! I now have a wlp1s0f0 interface but I’m not sure how to interact with it without wpa_supplicant or similar tools
<j`ey> hm, I thought it was meant to untar automatically, maybe that wasnt implemented yet
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<j`ey> woops!
<j`ey> that means the base image needs a rebuild I think
<tpw_rules> does arch mount the ESP at /boot/efi?
<kit_ty_kate> the reference distro does, yes
<kit_ty_kate> is there a repo somewhere showing how the base image is built or is it just ArchLinuxARM-aarch64-latest.tar.gz?
<VinDuv> first-boot adds it to fstab too
<tpw_rules> on some distros it's mounted to just /boot
<j`ey> kit_ty_kate: markan might have just not pushed that..
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<Glanzmann> axboe: I would test the chromium patch if you make one ready.
<Glanzmann> j`ey: Have you tested the new installer? So when I choose u-boot only, it will create an esp partition, won't it? But what happens if I already have an esp partition?
<j`ey> i havent tried it yet
<j`ey> i assume it will just create another esp partition
<Glanzmann> I see, might be. But I have no free space.
<Glanzmann> Will try it tomorrow.
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<g8rfx9wozue0e9pa3n[m]> There's a new installer? 😲
<g8rfx9wozue0e9pa3n[m]> Been lurking here and I'm always having to google stuff...
<j`ey> it's what markan was working on today
<bluetail[m]> is this project seperate from Corellium?
<bluetail[m]> separate*
<j`ey> yes
<bluetail[m]> I was also been wondering on how to contribute. I've been doing reverse engineering on my own for quite a while, on software level.... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cpDZWCLWuATyBQGgIipvIsbg)
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<sven> fwiw, if you write too long messages on Matrix they get cut off and are quite annoying to read on irc then
<sven> but no, he’s not alone. there are a bunch of people working on this and we communicate on these channels here
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<ml00> hello, I tested new installer today and it works great! UEFI boot only, didn't use reference distro, I installed ALARM myself on usb drive with pacstrap and found a very minor issue:
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<ml00> for some reason genfstab set for my esp partition iocharset=ascii and because CONFIG_NLS_ASCII is not set in linux-asahi the boot failed with "FAT-fs (sda1): IO charset ascii not found"
<ml00> removing it from fstab solved the issue
<ml00> i guess if the linux-asahi kernel is intended to use mainly with reference image it may not be worth solving, not sure
<ml00> i set the repo manually in pacman.conf
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