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<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: Regarding the backup. Don't do it via TimeMachine.
<bluetail[m]>
Instead, use software like CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper!
<bluetail[m]>
I had so many issues with the TimeMachine Service as of late.
<bluetail[m]>
<kode54> "I'm not mad about not having..." <- Agreed. Going for the 10GE version is not making sense at the moment
<kode54>
are either of those backup apps compatible with APFS and a machine that requires the internal drive to be bootable to boot anything else anyway?
<chadmed>
making a tarball of your home folder is ;)
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<bluetail[m]>
<kode54> "are either of those backup..." <- bootable backups are lost since m1
<bluetail[m]>
You cant have those afaik
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<tpw_rules>
i wish i had 10gbe at work
<tpw_rules>
has pcie in u-boot been fixed yet
<opticron>
huh...the keyboards on the M1 mac laptops are a bit disappointing
<bluetail[m]>
I have the m1 mini :D
<opticron>
my 14" M1M arrived today
<chadmed>
i think the keeb is great for a laptop
<kode54>
I don't have fast enough internet to appreciate 10gbit
<kode54>
and I don't have fast enough storage in my storage machine to appreciate it either
<tpw_rules>
nope it's not fixed
<opticron>
chadmed, I'm coming from a lenovo, so I'm spoiled
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<tpw_rules>
chadmed: where was your kernel config again?
<bluetail[m]>
I have not yet transitioned as macOS serving as SMB share at the moment and it is in heavy use. All devices are being served from a USB 3 device. I think that is supported already, though.
<bluetail[m]>
I use the normal usb3 ports, not usb c
<chadmed>
no problem. keep in mind that almost everything is built as a module so you will need a gzipped initramfs. you can of course change this as you desire.
<tpw_rules>
nixos does that anyway
<tpw_rules>
do you know about how long this takes to build?
<chadmed>
about 3 minutes on my m1 pro
<tpw_rules>
oh, so all that time is just extra drivers
<chadmed>
yeah ive ripped out basically everything that isnt present on the machines except drivers for usb network adapters
<chadmed>
and other usb support stuff for the generic device classes (mass storage, UAS, serial converter, etc)
<tpw_rules>
and this is for all the machines, ostensibly
<chadmed>
yeah itll work on all machines, incl the 10gbps mac minis
<tpw_rules>
sweet
<tpw_rules>
do those require firmware?
<chadmed>
not sure, but they use the aquantia module which i build in
<chadmed>
s/build in/build as module/
<tpw_rules>
the 1gbps need it for EEE
<chadmed>
1gbps should work too
<tpw_rules>
i would suggest turning on more squashfs compression modes. nixos also happens to need CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS
<chadmed>
yeah like i said i just ripped out everything that the machines dont need, in this repo its specifically things that the machines dont need to boot a "standard" gentoo install which does not use a squashfs
<chadmed>
marcan's working on getting a nice full-fat distro-ready config tho so if you need tons of extra release engineering type stuff maybe wait for that
<tpw_rules>
ah. i was under the impression you would be doing that
<tpw_rules>
or did you change your mind once he said he would
<chadmed>
i was planning on doing that today, but marcan said yesterday he was already on top of it
<chadmed>
yeah ^^
<tpw_rules>
ah okay, that's totally fine
<chadmed>
yeah sorry for the crossed wires
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<bluetail[m]>
Question out of curiousity: Has someone already benchmarked macOS monterey vs ArchLinux (Asahilinux) with the M1 ?
<chadmed>
well the memory use is much lower :P
<chadmed>
there hasnt been any real point considering we still do not as of yet have full use of the hardware from userspace
<tpw_rules>
i found a while ago macOS was marginally faster at kernel building in a linux VM than bare metal nixos stuck at 2GHz
<tpw_rules>
with a 4K VM kernel and 16K bare metal kernel
<chadmed>
like macos offloads a lot of stuff to the SEP, DCP, AGX, etc which not only frees up cpu cycles but also makes functions offloaded to that hardware much faster. it would not be a fair comparison doing "benchmarks" until that stuff is up and running
<tpw_rules>
otoh macOS is hampered by 4K pages and a slow syscall interface
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<chadmed>
well it only goes into 4k pages on context switches that rely on it (when running rosetta code)
<tpw_rules>
is that true?
<tpw_rules>
i thought userspace was always 4K pages. i could be wrong
<chadmed>
almost certain sven mentioned that at some point here
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<tpw_rules>
huh, you appear to be correct
<tpw_rules>
my mistake
<bluetail[m]>
My naive assumption is that a optimized archlinux running with m1 will outperform macOS
<chadmed>
yeah it will, eventually
<chadmed>
if youre using a very barebones fresh install with nothing on it but the base arch image and whatever benchmark you want to run and not using a DE, you will probably outpace macos even now
<Glanzmann>
marcan: This patch of povik who pinged you shortly after the last rebase, which is missing from the asahi tree. With that audio jack recording works on the 2020 models: https://tg.st/u/XKVZ.patch This is the last patch I have in debian build scripts which is not in the asahi branch.
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<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I don't have anything on my workstation I don't have somewhere else.
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I use restic for backups these days, but since I don't have any data that I don't have somewhere else, I don't do backups of my workstations/laptops.
<bluetail[m]>
<Glanzmann> "bluetail: I use restic for..." <- How does that work? What about email accounts, paths to network drives, password containers, addon configurations for the browser ... et cetera?
<bluetail[m]>
I dont want to re-enter my config when re-installing or whatever.
<bluetail[m]>
Do you have services and the likes all self hosted and exposed to wherever you are?
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<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: Then restic is not for you.
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: When I get a box I do three things: optional configure email/calendar, get my gpg keys, extract my unix environment, configure firefox. Sometimes clone some git repositories.
<bluetail[m]>
lets move to #_oftc_#asahi-offtopic:matrix.org
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: restic is a go binary that allows you to backup file trees on windows, macos and unix. You can backup to anywhere (object storage, ssh, filesystem). Backups are encrypted and deduped. Multiple machines can backup to the same repository.
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<David[m]1234>
bluetail Also TimeMachine doesn't backup /Library/savedApplicationStates/ (the resume feature) anymore
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<zimsneexh>
Is it known that the kernel from the Archlinux image the installer currently installs has issues with the nvme module? I only get a rescue shell after trying the installer, no nvme devices in /dev/
<zimsneexh>
s/known/a known issue
<_jannau_>
yes: "FYI: distro image is currently mildly broken, do not use. going to sleep, I'll fix it up tomorrow."
<zimsneexh>
ah, alright, makes sense
<zimsneexh>
thanks!
<j`ey>
I spoke to marcan this morning, he's going to be busy today (or maybe next few days even)
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: The Debian image works, at least when I tried: curl -sL tg.st/u/bootstrap.sh | bash
<Glanzmann>
That is the asahi installer with an additional entry for Debian Linux.
<zimsneexh>
Is that debian stable or the unstable one.. sid iirc?
<Glanzmann>
It is Debian unstable.
<Glanzmann>
sorry, testing. So bookworm.
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: I can do a Debian stable, but if I do the same, we need to bump at least one package (libinput) to make the trackpad work for the notebooks.
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: In the Debian images that I built it is plain Debian with one additional package: the kernel.
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<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: I'll give testing a shot, then.
<zimsneexh>
Is there an apt-repo for the kernel packages?
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: At the moment not, but I'll add one soon.
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: The latest kernel you can get at the moment always from tg.st/u/k.deb
<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: Alright, got it. Going to give it a try
<maxkofler>
Hi, is it possible that the asahi install script does not provide the devicetrees for the M1 Pro? I tried installing it on my MBP 14 (t6000-j314s) and m1n1 complained that it found a kernel, but no devicetree. After building m1n1 with u-boot from scratch and inserting the devicetrees from the asahi linux kernel tree, it boots. Is this wanted or not?
<Glanzmann>
maxkofler: Yes, it is currently not included.
<j`ey>
maxkofler: yes the installer doesnt yet
<Glanzmann>
maxkofler: You can get a m1n1/dtb/u-boot binary for the time being from here: tg.st/u/u-boot.macho
<Glanzmann>
This has the device trees for all models. And is taken from marcans github branch.
<maxkofler>
Thanks! Reading the conversation with zimsneexh, I noticed that after the fix I made to m1n1, the newest kernel boots without any problems, infact I am currently writing from my asahilinux
<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: Does that script build the root image for use with the installer or the whole installer?
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<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: This script does the following things: kernel, m1n1, u-boot, live stick, debian installer, my debian installer, asahi installer image.
<Glanzmann>
It takes 5 minutes on a ryzen when crosscompiling and a warmed up ccache.
<Glanzmann>
That is for everything but the official debian installer, because that one cancels if it can't find grub.
<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: Does the script you sent me install a live image? Since the hostname is "live"
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<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: As I said it does multiple things, including a live image.
<Glanzmann>
The hostname is set in the installer images and live to 'live'.
<zimsneexh>
I ment this one: tg.st/u/bootstrap.sh
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: So this script is the official asahi installer.
<Glanzmann>
In order to run this script, you need to have free space, run it on macos or 1tr.
<j`ey>
to be clear, the unofficial debian asahi installer!
<zimsneexh>
I know, i already installed it. The quickstart.txt however talks about debootstrap so i was wondering if this is now actually an installed version of the distro or running of off a squashfs or something.
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: If you have installed it, you're done.
<Glanzmann>
set a root password: passwd root; pwconv
<zimsneexh>
okay, thought so. The hostname is kind of confusing haha
<Glanzmann>
vim /etc/wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: Out of curiosity, on which m1 machine did you isntall it? Have you tried rebooting?
<Glanzmann>
Is the /etc/fstab there?
<Glanzmann>
Does wifi work?
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: You can set a new hostname by editing these two files /etc/hostname /etc/hosts
<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: Yep, wifi does work. It's j313, macbook air m1
<Glanzmann>
I see, same as I have.
<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: The quickstart.txt is the same for all variants.
<Glanzmann>
Maybe I should change the quickstart.txt and also set another hostname.
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<zimsneexh>
Glanzmann: You don't by chance know what package provides /usr/lib/dri/simpledrm_dri.so?
<Glanzmann>
of course I do,
<Glanzmann>
dpkg -S /usr/lib/dri/simpledrm_dri.so
<Glanzmann>
But I don't see that file on my system and it doesn't seem to be in bookworm.
<zimsneexh>
huh, odd. Sway seems to be looking for it
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<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: It might be that it flew out of Debian for a reason.
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<Glanzmann>
zimsneexh: But you can find such things by doing: apt-get install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; apt-file search <string>
<zimsneexh>
Thats a helpful tool, but still cant find anything. Odd.
<_jannau_>
I would be surprised if simpledrm_dri.so exists
<_jannau_>
I would not expect a DRI userspace driver for simpledrm
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<Tramtrist>
On slackware I found a similar file as part of the kernel source.. but thats it
<VinDuv>
Maybe something is hardcoded to try loading <current video driver>_dri.so…
<Glanzmann>
But if sway works in arch, it probably also works in Debian.
<maxkofler>
I would imagine it would
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<steffen[m]>
Hey, I've had a manually installed u-boot + linux setup and just tried the new installer. It has an error while detecting my recovery partition https://pastebin.com/raw/CM9666Mc
<nico_32>
probably need a sanity check in diskutil.py:get_partition_info
<nico_32>
something like
<nico_32>
if part.container is None:
<nico_32>
part.container = []
<nico_32>
part.container["Volumes"] = []
<nico_32>
logging.debug(f"{part.name} doesn't have any Volumes")
<steffen[m]>
I'll try that
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<marcan>
pushed a new installer and packages that are hopefully less broken. should have t6000 DTBs now, kernel smoke tested on that, haven't actually tested the installer itself since last time :-)
<marcan>
the new kernel is a "proper" distro kernel (ish), and almost everything is a module
<tpw_rules>
mind if i steal it for nixos
<marcan>
t8103 might explode with nvme and/or USB due to power domain shenanigans interacting with modules, haven't tested it there yet :)
<marcan>
tpw_rules: sure, feel free to grab the config, it's all in the git
<tpw_rules>
it still says last commit is 11 days ago
<marcan>
refresh :p
<tpw_rules>
there we go, thanks
<marcan>
let me know if anyone wants any config options that are missing. actually, come to think of it, I don't recall if I checked that the 10GbE chip driver is in there
<marcan>
but most usb/media stuff and the like that people might want to use externally should be there
<tpw_rules>
CONFIG_SQUASHFS_ZSTD would be nice
<marcan>
ping me with anything, I'll check things tomorrow and add them (pinging me is fine, I mute my speakers when I go to bed, except sometimes I forget to mute my headphones and they're somewhat audible but I made sure this time :p)
<marcan>
actually do it in -dev
<j`ey>
marcan: are you asleep yet?
<j`ey>
lol sorry, had to
<marcan>
lol
<marcan>
I didn't hear it, but I saw it :p
<j`ey>
marcan: btw I used the installer for te first time yesterday, worked flawlessly!
<marcan>
nice :)
<marcan>
still need to add resizing and such, but it's almost there
<marcan>
and I also need a macsmc-hid driver for lid closure
<marcan>
and I think that's... it?
<marcan>
just need to make the plasma image
<j`ey>
nothing 'obvious' is coming to my mind that is missing
<tmlind>
lid closure can be worked around too initially :) seems very much usable already
<marcan>
macsmc-hid is a trivial driver
<marcan>
and that also gives us power button
<jaxter184[m]>
thats really reassuring to hear, i was worried that a final release would still be a really long time away
<marcan>
I am *not* doing a polled GPIO for lid closure, that's ridiculous :p
<marcan>
jaxter184[m]: I think you mean *initial* release
<jaxter184[m]>
ah, yeah, that would be a better word :P
<marcan>
oh also: module refcounting is variously borked (due to, among other things, it not being implemented at all in the Linux SPMI subsystem as far as I can tell? not sure but...)
<marcan>
so rmmoding the wrong things in the wrong order will oops your kernel
<steffen[m]>
Is this expected? FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './os/asahi-base.zip'
<steffen[m]>
this was the reference distro option. m1n1 + u-boot seems to be doing more
<joske>
I used that GPIO backlight once, had to SSH into the macbook to turn the screen back on :-D
<nico_32>
it should have downloaded asahi-base.zip
<j`ey>
nico_32: did you run the installer?
<j`ey>
did you do it as your normal user?
<j`ey>
there seems to be an issue with sudo dropping env vars
<nico_32>
j`ey: steffen[m] is the one that have issue
<j`ey>
nico_32: I know, just wondered if you had done it too!
<nico_32>
i don't have any m1 yet
<immychan[m]>
What does the new installer version do?
<j`ey>
nico_32: ah
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<nico_32>
steffen[m]: what does the debug log say? maybe the download failed
<steffen[m]>
I'm deleting the partitions and trying again. I'm guessing It's about the env vars since i ran the install.sh manually (to try the diskutil change)
<mps>
so, lid driver soon, for me only missing part is brightness control. hope it will be soon, but again I'm not in hurry
<j`ey>
ah yeah, thats it
<j`ey>
steffen[m]: the installer sets up REPO_BASE, which install.sh uses
<steffen[m]>
ah, okay
<zimsneexh>
steffen[m]: Theres a wipelinux shell script, in case it's of any help
<nico_32>
the installer is alpha so it miss sanity check
<steffen[m]>
wow, the wipelinux might be useful but could use some sanity checking
<steffen[m]>
my macos is 402.5 gigs
<steffen[m]>
grep '2.5 GB'
<steffen[m]>
although i guess macos won't delete the running instance
<nico_32>
i am not sure about that
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<steffen[m]>
well, i may have tried that by accident
<steffen[m]>
fails here: The volume "Preboot" on disk3s2 couldn't be unmounted because it is in use by process 0 (kernel)
<steffen[m]>
the installer now works with correct env :) thanks everyone
<nico_32>
with or without the patch in diskutil.py?
<steffen[m]>
with the patch
<nico_32>
so you can open a PR :)
<steffen[m]>
I'll do that
<zimsneexh>
Ah, the installed Archlinux still fails to boot on my MBA. No /dev/nvme... for some reason
<zimsneexh>
lsmod does however show apple-nvme, i really can't think of why this would fail
<zimsneexh>
s/apple-nvme/nvme_apple
<zimsneexh>
Also no logs of nvme in dmesg, i remember it being pretty verbose when i tried it directly built into the kernel
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<kit_ty_kate>
marcan: I tried the alxsh installer just now on my Macbook Air and the kernel crashed on boot with: « apple-pmgr-pwrstate ... power-managment:power-controller@...: PS apcie_st: Failed to reach power state 0xf (now 0xf00090f) »
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<zimsneexh>
I get those same power-managment errors, also on macbook air.
<zimsneexh>
kit_ty_kate: Does it also drop you into a rescue shell?
<sven>
probably needs a similar device tree fix for the power domains like the t6000
<j`ey>
"rcan> t8103 might explode with nvme and/or USB due to power domain shenanigans interacting with modules, haven't tested it there yet :)"
<kit_ty_kate>
zimsneexh: yep
<kit_ty_kate>
j`ey: :D
<kit_ty_kate>
i missed that line
<kit_ty_kate>
I’m about to post the picture somewhere if that helps
<zimsneexh>
oh, so did I.
<zimsneexh>
I guess the assumption about it exploding were correct
<j`ey>
you could take a look at 11d668fdb7b5859150d0d8531f61b595b2861c29 if you want to see if that works for t8103
<zimsneexh>
Does linux get the devicetree from u-boot?
<kit_ty_kate>
j`ey: you mean try without it?
<j`ey>
I mean port it from t6000 to t8103
<kit_ty_kate>
oh! I didn’t notice it only changed t6000
<kit_ty_kate>
mmh, I’ll try
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<kit_ty_kate>
actually I’m out of energy rn, i need to get dinner. I might do it tomorrow if no-one tried or fixed it already
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<landscape15[m]>
I was wondering if distros will have to ship part of asahi code in order to sell their installer package
<landscape15[m]>
in theory, selling a build installer wouldn’t be a problem for them, with custom kernel and EFI.
<j`ey>
they will have to at least know about the wifi firmware
<landscape15[m]>
j`ey: But they still need to force people running asahi-installer to set the boot chain
<j`ey>
sure, or replicate the same steps
<landscape15[m]>
So I guess it’s impossible a “just plug in the usb” kind of installer
<zimsneexh>
The run a shell script from macos kind of installation seems much more convenient to me
<j`ey>
there probably is a way to do that
<j`ey>
by putting the installer shell script on a usb stick
<j`ey>
but it still has to download a bunch of stuff
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<landscape15[m]>
j`ey: I don’t think it’s legally possible to download part of macOS software with a single script, as distro can’t include Wi-Fi firmware stuff
<j`ey>
sure, the script downloads some stuff from apple and grabs firmware from currently running computer
<j`ey>
will you ever be able to distribute a USB stick with everything on it: no
<landscape15[m]>
yeah also maintaining the code would be a problem
<landscape15[m]>
btw I think it’s better to keep asahi and Linux separated. The user installs asahi, and as with every other UEFI based computer, he runs whatever he needs from an external usb (or partition)
<j`ey>
thats one of the installer options
<landscape15[m]>
j`ey: I have not seen its code recently. I’ll take a look
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<pitust[m]>
you can do that legally
<pitust[m]>
put a magical file on the usb that makes the recovery run your .app
<pitust[m]>
have the .app be the installer
<pitust[m]>
that also pulls out the blobs from macos
<dottedmag>
Strong autorun.inf vibes
<pitust[m]>
it isn't autorun though
<pitust[m]>
you need to: (1) hold down power at boot (2) select that you want run the thing
<j`ey>
pitust[m]: yeah, that's what I was suggesting, but I was saying you cant have installer that doesn't pull stuff from the cloud/machine
<dottedmag>
I know, physical presence assertion.
<pitust[m]>
j`ey: is the generic firmware not enough?
<pitust[m]>
but i'd suspect there is some at least somewhat "generic" firmware
<tpw_rules>
tl;dr the arm ecosystem should move to "do whatever weird stuff your specific computer requires" + a generic UEFI image
<tpw_rules>
and asahi with the "just install u-boot + grub" model fits that well
<j`ey>
if there was sure, but I dont think anyones found generic fw for it
<pitust[m]>
ah, okay
<pitust[m]>
also, i have an extremely peculiar issue with my attempts to boot debian
<pitust[m]>
and actually, every kind of linux
<pitust[m]>
if it leaves the kernel, it doesn't do much in init
<tpw_rules>
how did you build your kernel?
<pitust[m]>
i tried once per the instrutions on the wiki
<pitust[m]>
clone the gh repo, cd, download the .config, make all -j8
<pitust[m]>
and once by using the kernel shipped in the rootfs from https://tg.st/u/m1.tgz
<pitust[m]>
(i used the desktopkernel config)
<pitust[m]>
it's doing something, because pressing the touchid sensor/power button is causing printks
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<tpw_rules>
so this is a bit of a long shot but does anyone have any friends in apple's store system? i can't get them to change my payment without canceling my order and waiting two more months for another one
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