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<enchiladasconpinguino[m]>
<mps> "ktz3: enchiladasconpinguino[m..." <- alpine guide looks good :)
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<kode54>
doublerye[m]: sure
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<kode54>
1) sudo pacman -S asp
<kode54>
2) cd <some place you'd like to keep your ABS source packages>
<kode54>
3) asp checkout jemalloc
<kode54>
4) cd jemalloc/trunk
<kode54>
5) vim or nano the PKGBUILD, add aarch64 to the arch list
<kode54>
6) run makepkg
<kode54>
7) install the result
<kode54>
you may need to install some makedeps
<kode54>
building it locally will cause it to build the package with the detected page size of 16k
<kode54>
it would be nice if the upstream alarm build bot would configure this for 16k or 64k pages just to be safe
<kode54>
or if it could be added to asahi's repo as a modified rebuild
<kode54>
this step will fix any of the small number of packages that depend on dynamic jemalloc, including Telegram Desktop from alarm
<kode54>
the only way to fix those packages that static link it is a rebuild of the entire app, which means proprietary software will need the author to take larger page sizes into consideration
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<doublerye[m]>
kode54: thank you!
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<doublerye[m]>
kode54: worked, great thank you
<kode54>
no problem
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<kode54>
this will need to be repeated any time the jemalloc package is updated, until alarm starts providing larger page builds themselves, or asahi overrides this
<kode54>
I never did figure out how to update an ABS package short of removing it and doing `asp update` `asp checkout` again
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<r0ni>
can grub be pointed to a dir within a drive to boot?
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<bmentink[m]>
Is printer support there for my Air? Won't find my HP drivers even though have installed cups and hplip ...
<bmentink[m]>
Network connectd ..
<nicolas17>
USB works, the rest is hardware-independent
<bmentink[m]>
What does that mean?
<nicolas17>
there's nothing M1-specific to do for printers
<nicolas17>
printer support is not even part of the kernel
<bmentink[m]>
ok, I normally with arch just install cups and run it and install hplip and all my printers are found, not so here ..
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<nicolas17>
is it a USB printer?
<bmentink[m]>
no, I stated network above ..
<nicolas17>
ah is avahi installed? may need that for mDNS discovery
<bmentink[m]>
not sure will see .. thanks
<bmentink[m]>
Oh, actually it discovered it on the network, just could not find a driver for it
<enchiladasconpinguino[m]>
probably are some native linux printer drivers that don't work on arm no?
<enchiladasconpinguino[m]>
otherwise yes, shouldn't need to do anything m1 specific for a printer
<nico_32>
and i don't believe hp released arm64 blob
<nicolas17>
I thought hplip was OSS
<nico_32>
«Some HP printers require proprietary software technologies to allow full access to printer features and performance. Unfortunately, these technologies cannot be open sourced, but to resolve this HP uses a binary plug-in for these printers. »
<nico_32>
the open core model
<nicolas17>
on x86 I'd still need to go out of my way to get the blob, right?
<chadmed>
i have an HP CP2025n here, and the foomatic ppds seem to work just fine with it
<chadmed>
i used to use hplip but its crud
<nico_32>
don't know, i removed all printer from my home with violence
<nicolas17>
I don't see any hplip package in debian nonfree, it's all in main...
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<nico_32>
on debian, the blob is probably installable via a script
<nico_32>
on ubuntu, i guess you have the graphical wizard to manage that
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<nico_32>
ipp "should" on recent printers
<nico_32>
ipe everywhere: ipp + mdns
<nicolas17>
I have an old epson printer with no networking
<nicolas17>
I connected it to a raspberry pi
<nicolas17>
and now I can print over ipp from the LAN including from iOS
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<kode54>
I have a slightly old epson printer
<kode54>
but it's connected to an Intel Mac
<kode54>
I can't really connect it to a print server, because it's an MFP, and nothing supports networked scanning for it
<kode54>
unless someone is going to tell me there's a scan server I can use for it too
<nicolas17>
sane supposedly supports some networking stuff but it might not be cross-platform/standard like IPP
<nicolas17>
and if you need sane on both ends it would be pretty annoying
<kode54>
I need something on the printer end because it's a USB printer
<kode54>
and the last time I needed to scan from it from Linux, I just bought a VueScan license
<nicolas17>
mine is a MFP too but the one time I used it to scan I ended up doing "ssh pi@raspi3.local scanimage"
<nicolas17>
...there's quite a fitting backronym for 'mfp'
<kode54>
this printer, if you search it, you're more likely to find AMD video card info
<kode54>
Epson RX580
<kode54>
sane-epson looks like it may work
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<bmentink[m]>
I fount that I could install the HP OfficeJet Pro 8600 via the cups web page which shows up all the hplip drivers, from there I found a 8700 driver that was close enough to work.
<bmentink[m]>
s/fount/found/
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<r0ni>
just got slackware to boot up
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<r0ni>
it's a mess tho, x isn't working and i gotta figure out the wifi thing
<bmentink[m]>
for wifi use iwd .. start the service, then use iwctl to set it up ..
<r0ni>
don't we have to dump some fw first?
<bmentink[m]>
no, I did not have to do anything else .... I installed the minimal and installed xorg/gnome ..
<r0ni>
huh, i'll try it in a second then
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<bmentink[m]>
I am installing an a Macbook Air 2020
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<kode54>
bmentink[m]: isn't it packaging firmware into an archive in the uefi partition, and installing it first boot?
<kode54>
it extracts this stuff mac side before rebooting
<r0ni>
getting this running is epic, i've been in touch with slackware dev last week so I really really hope we can get M1 to be part of official slackware soon
<r0ni>
but being a slackware user, i've only ever used lilo, i didn't even mess with grub so i'm surprised it even boots
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<Glanzmann>
Cy8aer[m]: Thanks for the detailed instrucations.
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: You need to extract the wifi firmware.
<r0ni>
wasn't there a script to do that? I kept a few files from the previous arch install, but i'm not sure what the file was named or where it even was
<r0ni>
just don't know if the modules are installed correct yet
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: That is pretty easy, just check if there is a /lib/modules/`uname -r`
<Glanzmann>
and run depmod -a that's it.
<r0ni>
a few slackware kernel pkgs installed and i need to clear them out cuz i think the script runs depmod on it
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: You can also leave them lying around, they don't hurt as long as you don't boot them.
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: But I also always clean up the kernels that don't work.
<r0ni>
ya my OCD isn't gonna let me just leave them lol
<r0ni>
yep its got 5.16.16 installed
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<r0ni>
Glanzmann are those patches needed? i just pulled this from github an hour ago?
<r0ni>
i've got the .config already at least
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: I have two patches, one is the 4kb iommu patch, the other one is ignore crc messages from the keyboard for pro/max models.
<Glanzmann>
Both are not needed. But if you use my config (which is a debian config with asahi options enabled) than you need to change the kernel pagesize, otherwise a lot of the i/o devices won't work.
<r0ni>
i'm pretty sure i pulled the config from the arch install or something else along the way
<Glanzmann>
r0ni: The config from the arch install will be fine.
<Glanzmann>
It has 16kb page size.
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<r0ni>
hrm kernel keeps failing on my 'make oldconfig'
<r0ni>
think i accedentally removed the headers and i need them lol
<r0ni>
there we go
<r0ni>
wow thats so fast compared to my other linux machines lmao
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<Skirmisher>
is it expected that some monitors don't init properly (under m1n1/uboot/linux) on the 2020 mac mini? I've got an Apple Studio Display (not the new one, the 17" 1280x1024 one with ADC) and the light comes on as if it's getting a signal, but nothing ever appears
<Skirmisher>
I also assume display hotplug doesn't yet work either
<kode54>
nope
<kode54>
not without DCP support
<Skirmisher>
this is with the minimal ALARM install btw, though I plan on bootstrapping Void Linux soon
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<Skirmisher>
poweroff
<Skirmisher>
woops, wrong machine
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<VinDuv>
You can try to turn the monitor on at the same time that m1n1 starts and/or disable automatic input switching if your monitor has it
<r0ni>
hrm wireless still not coming up
<r0ni>
no mention of it in dmesg even
<Skirmisher>
the ADC apple displays have effectively no controls lol
<Skirmisher>
the only way to control monitor power is by unplugging the cable :p
<kode54>
my primary 4k monitor is such a monitor
<kode54>
so glad I reconfigured my setup to put my secondary on the HDMI link
<VinDuv>
Skirmisher: you’re using HDMI on the mini, right? HDMI -> DVI -> ADC?
<r0ni>
hrm when i ran the grub-update script it looks like it wiped out that fw file... can i dump it again from the installer without damaging anything?
<Skirmisher>
VinDuv: yup
<Skirmisher>
currently using the same setup on my x86 laptop
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<VinDuv>
Skirmisher: Maybe try to get the m1n1 logs if you can (you need a second computer and a USB-A to C cable), since it’s also possible that the display initialization chooses the wrong resolution for your monitor
<Skirmisher>
yeah, that's what I initially assumed
<Skirmisher>
I will look into doing that (tomorrow, it's late here)
<Cy8aer[m]>
You shall not use plymouth boot splash screen! 😉 - it does some screen changes and ends up in blank screen
<chadmed>
plymouth relies on kms which we do not actually have yet so it shouldnt do anything
<Cy8aer[m]>
(don't find the facepalm icon) - yep sorry did not thing about this.
<Cy8aer[m]>
s/ing/ink/c
<r0ni>
ugh now kb isn't working at all... :(
<marcan>
chadmed: we don't? we're using simpledrm, we should
<marcan>
unless you mean it relies on DRM/KMS features that that doesn't support
<chadmed>
i couldnt get plymouth to behave with it at all so im assuming it needs something simpledrm doesnt have
<chadmed>
yep
<marcan>
odd, could be a bug
<marcan>
you'd think if xorg and kwin/wayland of all things work plymouth should too
<Cy8aer[m]>
To me it looked almost like the current problem with the debian installer, which also turns off the screen at startup.
<Cy8aer[m]>
(in text mode)
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<r0ni>
can you re-install without removing the partition you've made already?
<Cy8aer[m]>
But there it is quite inconsitent because if you start the d-i in graphics mode (gtk mode) this fails and makes a fallback to the text mode which then works.
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<jannau>
chadmed: fedora has or at least planned to switch to simpledrm so I would expect that plymouth should work or has been fixed
<chadmed>
yeah i can get it to appear at boot but not in a tty after that
<chadmed>
these machines boot waaaay too fast for it to be useful anyway, it appears for like maybe 200ms
<Chainfire>
Chromium reviewers haven't even looked at the patch yet. "You should get a response within one business day". Pondering whether I should ping them or not. @AsahiLinux tweet raises a good point, we'd like to have this fixed before the next release, and there's certainly a non-zero chance further changes will be needed for the patch to be accepted.
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<Glanzmann>
jannau: Plymouth works on fedora with the debian kernel. I tested it.
<Cy8aer[m]>
Glanzmann: which version of plymouth does fedora use?
<beep-boop[m]>
Any plans to add similar keybindings as macos so context switching will be easier?
<Cy8aer[m]>
But please: selectable, because I was happy to not have the macos bindings...
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<chadmed>
thats a user-configurable thing, you should do it yourself
<chadmed>
its easy enough to remap keys in plasma
<chadmed>
swap super and ctrl and you get Command key functionality
<Glanzmann>
Cy8aer[m]: I don't know the one which ships with the most current fedora.
<Cy8aer[m]>
Ok, I try to find out and would then file a bug report if it is the same as in Debian.
<beep-boop[m]>
chadmed: Don't think there is so easy as swapping ctrl with super.
<chadmed>
there is because i did it
<chadmed>
system settings -> input devices -> keyboard -> advanced
<chadmed>
there are a variety of ways you can remap it so pick one that works for yo
<chadmed>
btw ive been meaning to ask, has anyone here with the 16" mbp tried the DSP profiles? does it sound alright?
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<Ry_Darcy>
@Glanzmann Thomas, did you get my message?
<Ry_Darcy>
@Glanzmann from yesterday evening.
<Glanzmann>
Ry_Darcy: I think so, but just to be safe, repeat it.
<Ry_Darcy>
@Glanzmann I applied your boot fix (4K) yesterday evening. The machine (M1 Mini 2020) reboots with no problems. In BE, I am using a cheapo 2K Benq monitor. As stated, this works, i.e. no black screen.
<Ry_Darcy>
@Glanzmann This evening or tomorrow morning, I will test this setup with my 4K monitor in ZH. I will keep you up to date.
<piroko>
you also have to resize the macos apfs volume to take up the free space left behind by the removal of the asahi volume(s)
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<piroko>
"This is called "eraseVolume free free" because diskutil's amazingly intuitive interface represents the concept of deleting partitions as "formatting them as free space" (except for APFS). Yes, really." I am so glad I'm not the only one that found this wildly bizarre
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<opticron>
piroko, it certainly threw me for a loop on my first attempt
<amarioguy>
general question: most documentation of iPhones puts SecureROM before PMU OTP fuses, what do the OTP fuses exactly do?
<amarioguy>
do they comprise some weird ROM like code that brings up SecureROM
<Sobek[m]>
<chadmed> "dont feed them" <- Now that the troll have left, here are some servings of blueberry pie for all the non trolls here (home made). Double helping for whoever can tell me about the status of gentoo for M1 (I don't remember and can't find in my logs who was working on it a couple of days ago).
<chadmed>
i was going to bootstrap a gentoo image today but im actually sick right now and have a ton of other stuff to do for real life work and study so its on the backburner for now
<chadmed>
see my github for a hodgepodge of gentoo support stuff that is in a very incomplete state
<chadmed>
my only thing is i dont want to cook the battery in this macbook waiting for stuff to compile so ill need to get a desktop machine i think
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<WhyNotHugo>
Given that there's a global recovery partition at the end of the disk, is there any reason to keep around the first/original macOS partition?
<Sobek[m]>
Well, take care of yourself, I'll probably stay with the safer arch based official image for now, but count me in as someone to ping to test gentoo stuffs (MBP 16", M1Max)
<Sobek[m]>
WhyNotHugo: The global recovery isn't a full system, and you probably want to keep a full system around for upgrades etc.
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<chadmed>
what i have in mind is basically just an image of stuff up to the end of the handbook and nothing more. it would not be in the spirit of gentoo to go further and presuppose a lot of userspace stuff
<chadmed>
it might be a while before i get around to it now though. im juggling 2 research projects, coursework and preparing a presentation for a seminar right now. not fun :P
<Sobek[m]>
chadmed: Yeah, obviously. And even then, the gentoo spirit would probably be more a install media that boot and has the proper tools + a suitable stage3 that runs on M1 + the overlay / portage profile and conf required for stuff to work, and let people work through a hondbook (the problem being that there's no ARM handbook)
<chadmed>
yeah that was my initial plan of attack but the current arm minimal install iso uses an ancient kernel that lacks even bringup
<chadmed>
yeah i know you *can* do that but i dont think this is very friendly to users who want to follow the handbook
<chadmed>
which requires you to have a gentoo rootfs on your install media to copy some stuff across
<ChaosPrincess>
there isnt a generic aarch64 stage3?
<Glanzmann>
There is.
<Glanzmann>
The handbook does not exist.
<chadmed>
yeah youre meant to follow the x86 one
<ChaosPrincess>
aarch64 handbook isnt there due to how different arm boot systems are
<ChaosPrincess>
i think for gentoo, we need a m1 handbook, not a generic arm one :P
<Glanzmann>
the problem is that ther is not a grub efi arm64 in gentoo.
<Glanzmann>
So you need to bring that yourself.
<Glanzmann>
Also you need to build a custom kernel. Rest is super easy (extracting two tars) and run emerge.
<ChaosPrincess>
i think custom kernel is part of handbook
<Chainfire>
Is there a list of known packages that use the problematic statically linked jemalloc?
<Sobek[m]>
For debian live (and the other distro) what happens is that people install by hand their own kernel + boot loader stuff avoiding the distro package or using packages purpose built for M1 ? Would gentoo on M1 probably be worth an overlay for now ?
<ChaosPrincess>
not sure what you need an overlay for
<ChaosPrincess>
maybe for m1n1 updates?
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Glanzmann: Ahh, that was the step where i failed installing it in an arm64 vm, that explains it
<Glanzmann>
Sobek[m]: For Debian I have one custom package: The kernel.
<Glanzmann>
Sobek[m]: You don't need an overlay.
<ChaosPrincess>
i guess you can shove asahi-sources into an overaly
<ChaosPrincess>
an use gentoo kernel build infra
<chadmed>
thats what ive done
<Glanzmann>
chadmed: What do you use as bootloader and where did you take it from?
<Glanzmann>
For gentoo that is?
<chadmed>
like i said i havent actually spun out a gentoo rootfs for these machines yet so nothing
<chadmed>
i just made the overlay and a sort of half-assed deployment script and chucked them on my github
<ChaosPrincess>
I am using systemd-boot, and its in official repo
<Glanzmann>
chadmed: Ah, I see.
<Glanzmann>
ChaosPrincess: On Gentoo for m1?
<ChaosPrincess>
aye
<Sobek[m]>
chadmed: That's the one reason I was thinking of an overlay.
<Glanzmann>
Perfect, one less dependency to take care of.
<Glanzmann>
ChaosPrincess: How do you created the loader enries. Is there a script or did you do it manually?
<Glanzmann>
did*
<ChaosPrincess>
Manually
<Glanzmann>
I see. Thanks for the info.
<ChaosPrincess>
I keep telling myself that i will write a script someday, but still lazy for now
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<Glanzmann>
ChaosPrincess: I hope that there is a distro script but I could not find one at least on Debian.
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<LinuxM1>
can anyone post the commands to run to make chromium work on ashai? I know there is a patch
<Chainfire>
Providing all dependencies are met (no idea what they are), you can run the chrome binary to get Chromium
<LinuxM1>
thanks, how do i install it?
<Chainfire>
To use the patch you linked yourself, you have to build Chromium from source, which is quite the task
<Glanzmann>
LinuxM1: download and extract it.
<Chainfire>
Glanzmann / marcan: I do have an RPM for it but no idea how to turn that into a PKGBUILD or if that's what you'd want (referencing the tweet that said Asahi might host one). Its a master tree build though, not a particular release.
<Glanzmann>
Chainfire: Do you have a spec file for the rpm?
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<LinuxM1>
thanks chainfire
<LinuxM1>
Glanzmann, i extract it with ARK but i still don't understand how to install it
<psydroid[m]1>
Asahi is all about running Linux (and OpenBSD and other operating systems) on the bare metal on Apple Silicon computers
<psydroid[m]1>
for VMs there are already existing solutions
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<Ry_Darcy_>
@Glanzmann Some information for Thomas. This is coming to you from my 4K monitor in ZH. Xrandr is reporting -
<Ry_Darcy_>
root@debian:~# xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 1440, maximum 4096 x 4096 None-1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 2560x1440 60.00*+
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<as400[m]>
guys - I need 4k sven patch that applies against current asahi kernel. Any good person here ? :)
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<Ry_Darcy_>
@Glanzmann I cannot change this resolution either - it seems to be fixed. I presume this is intentional.
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<Ry_Darcy_>
@Glanzmann more tomorrow and chapeau for your efforts.
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<j`ey>
Ry_Darcy_: yes no resolution changes atm
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<Ry_Darcy_>
@j`ey I am happy that I can see the screen at all.
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<as400[m]>
mps ? Glanzmann ?
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<TimFriedrichWeber[m]>
Hello, I have a Problem with the Installer .sh saying Failed to run process: diskutil apfs resizeContainer disk0s2... does anyone have this too?
<Sobek[m]>
> If you want to try Asahi Linux on an M1 Mac yourself, the current installer is run from the command line and requires "at least 53GB of free space" for an install with a KDE Plasma desktop. Asahi itself only needs about 15GB, but the installer requires you to leave at least 38GB of free space to the macOS install so that macOS system updates don't break
<Sobek[m]>
And they got right the free space story \o:
<Sobek[m]>
\o/
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<TimFriedrichWeber[m]>
Does anyone have the Error: Failed to run process: diskutil apfs resizeContainer disk0s2?
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<TimFriedrichWeber[m]>
I already have deactivated FileVault, Timemachine and repaired Disk in Disk Utility... :D
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<as400[m]>
j`ey: thx
<tpw_rules>
you don't have to deactivate filevault
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<tpw_rules>
but you do have to give more specifics about the error, including preferably the full log
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<tpw_rules>
the error messages diskutil prints out are relatively straightforward, you just have to scroll up a bit to find them
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<loxdebox[m]>
audio
<loxdebox[m]>
audio
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<nicolas17>
?
<loxdebox[m]>
whelp, was meant to search..
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<kode54>
loxdebox[m]: not sure about headphone jacks, since I can't get them working
<kode54>
but speakers are intentionally disabled in the device tree right now, because the correct audio levels and amplifier settings haven't been determined yet
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<kode54>
ie. safety reasons, you don't want to inadvertently blow out your speakers
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<loxdebox[m]>
thanks!
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<loxdebox[m]>
good to know
<kode54>
so for now, you'll have to use a USB sound device to be sure
<kode54>
I'm using my Yeti microphone with my Mac mini
<nicolas17>
loxdebox[m]: headphone jack is flaky but it *should* work
<nicolas17>
what Mac?
<kode54>
I tried headphone jack, it doesn't support hotplug, and the device properties under pipewire don't even list it as a selection for the output device
<kode54>
in fact, it only lists "mono" and "pro audio" here, which sound like it's hitting the speaker
<kode54>
it produces no audio, or nothing I can hear
<loxdebox[m]>
13" m1 pro
<Glanzmann>
as400[m]: Yes?
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<kode54>
okay
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<kode54>
I was testing out Discord in Firefox
<kode54>
audio works both ways with a USB sound device
<kode54>
but video is kind of broken right now
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<bluetail[m]>
discord keeps banning vpn users like me
<kode54>
it sends video, but gets interrupted frequently
<kode54>
oops
<bluetail[m]>
I'm over Revolt cause I kinda cant use Discord
<Glanzmann>
Ry_Darcy: Yes, the framebuffer is at the moment fixed. But this will hopefully change soon.
<Glanzmann>
Ry_Darcy: But good to hear that it works for you. Thanks to you I'm now also working using a 2k eizo monitor as my main workstation, powered by mini/debian.
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: EIZO... I had a ev2785 and I found it so unresponsive...
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I have a ev2780 and I like it, but I'm only using a terminal, firefox, rdp, a pdf viewer and watching videos from time to time.
<Glanzmann>
So for me it is responsive. :-)
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: The one thing that annoyed me the most was the glare
<bluetail[m]>
It is not even semi matte
<bluetail[m]>
But well
<bluetail[m]>
I have a imac 2019 TOTL packaged because the glare was even worse and I dont want to put a monitor on the floor
<bluetail[m]>
that would be awkward
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: Do you happen to know how to update a kernel in a debian live installment? I googled it but I kind of failed
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: You mean howto update the kernel in the debian live image?
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: Yes. I did update it on the persistence part but it wouldn't apply as it still keeps loading kernel 5.1. But 5.17 is installed. Neofetch always report 5.1
<bluetail[m]>
s/1/10/
<bluetail[m]>
(this is non-asahi stuff) but good to know
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: Hmm. So you mean you boot the debian live image and it sayd 5.10?
<j`ey>
Glanzmann: I think bluetail[m] is not talking about asahi
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<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: Debian 11 live is by default 5.10. I wanted to upgrade the kernel and the boot entry stayed at 5.10. I tried to rebuild grub2 automatically and it said 'cannot find canoncial path for overlay'
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: Oh, I never used that. So I don't really know.
<bluetail[m]>
oh ok
<Glanzmann>
But in general you just install the new deb.
<bluetail[m]>
I wish I could. Still didnt find the 'fitting' hardware for me
<Glanzmann>
initrds can be extracted and repackad easily.
<bluetail[m]>
you mean I can replace the stuff somehow? I'm a bit lost there
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: So updating a kernel normally means instaling a newer kernel and rebooting. On a live system it is more trickier because you have to put the kernel outside of the initrd. And often live systems have stage1 initrd and than use squashfs and an overlay but to be honest these days, I don't really want that anymore.
<tpw_rules>
"these days"?
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: So what I end up doing for asahi and will now also use instead of grml (the live system I used before) is just put the whole rootfs in a initrd and that's it.
<mps>
I disliked grml because of zsh and how it configured
<mps>
I usually build myself live systems
<mps>
right now I'm testing live for m1
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<Glanzmann>
mps: I used grml a lot and I liked it. But now that I build the debian asahi live, I will probably use the same method to build me an amd64 live system but put my environment on it and enable ssh and also phone home so that I can find out its ip quickly ... (I sometimes boot live system on 12 systems or so simultaneously).
<bluetail[m]>
Why do you boot live-systems simultaneously on 12 systems?
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I have a small lab which I use for trainings. It used to be 76 systems, but at the moment I have 12.
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: Are you a teacher/professor?
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: Nope, but I give a lot of IT trainings. VMware, Aws, NetApp, Linux, Storage, Network, Backup, Hybrid Cloud, Storage replication, ...
<bluetail[m]>
Wow, you must be a pretty important person... Are you happy with it?
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I'm frelancing since I'm 25, so yes. I'll never go back into employment.
<Glanzmann>
17 years.
<bluetail[m]>
Glanzmann: I was also freelancing for quite a while and now I'm in a position that gives me more money than I can rationally use.
<bluetail[m]>
But its not really about money, it's about if you can enjoy it
<Glanzmann>
bluetail[m]: I worked in the past for Lufthansa, Siemens, German Telecom, German employment office, but I get bored with this positions after a while. So I prefer to stay self employment and do trainings, short time consultings (1-4 weeks) and sysadmin jobs.
<mps>
Glanzmann: building live systems (especially nowadays) is not complicated
<Glanzmann>
But talking about work. I had a 12 hour day today and I'm over 30, so I need to hit bed. Everyone, have a good night sleep. :-)
<Glanzmann>
mps: I agree. :-)
<nicolas17>
freelancing feels like the pain of job search but for each client
<Glanzmann>
mps: To be honest, the easix shell script I just posted, I wrote in one evening. But then I was fitter than I'm today. :-)
<Glanzmann>
nicolas17: I'm in the lucky position that I always had others who did the marketing and sales, so, I always had more work than I needed.
<mps>
Glanzmann: shell I posted few times here is to actually build live asahi alpine
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<Glanzmann>
mps: I think, I saw it. :-)
<nicolas17>
yeah that changes the whole thing :P
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<mps>
but I now preparing image which could be 'dd'-ed to usb and used for alpine install on m1
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<Glanzmann>
mps: If you need help, let me know.
<mps>
finished, it is 129MB size
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<mps>
soon it will be on dev.alpinelinux.org
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<DarkShadow44>
Can you help me with my Asahi installation? I got a mac mini, and did follow the instructions. Last thing I did was hold the button to go into recovery mode, finish step to until it asked to shut down the system. now I got a blackscreen and nothing seems to happen, mac is on though.
<j`ey>
your monitor is likely (currently) incompatible
<tpw_rules>
^
<tpw_rules>
try another one or adjust the monitor's settings to disable auto scanning for sources
<DarkShadow44>
I got two monitors, but they're almost the same model. you mean set it to HDMI manually?
<tpw_rules>
yes
<tpw_rules>
that helped one of my monitors
<tpw_rules>
you'll have to power cycle the mac after you set that
<DarkShadow44>
Thanks, I'll try and report back
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<tpw_rules>
basically the mac only tries to connect the monitor once when it initially powers on. if the monitor disconnects at any point after that, it can't reconnect
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<DarkShadow44>
that seems to have been it, I managed to boot into Linux to finish the installer. Although at the weird resolution of 1920x2160
<DarkShadow44>
But now I can't get it to work anymore, seems like many monitor is really picky. You can't really force it to do HDMI only
<j`ey>
that's the max resolution that is picked currently
<DarkShadow44>
but why half HD, half 4K?
<j`ey>
it basically picks the best 'width' currently
<DarkShadow44>
well, I'd expect it to go 4K then, not squish it totally.. But I can wait for that
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<Sobek[m]>
« Help my computer is frozen while resizing APFS » :D (I know why, and I apparently have an odd orphan missing an i-node reference on my file system 🤔)
<Sobek[m]>
Will update when Asahi is install
<j`ey>
Sobek[m]: bienvenue a asahi
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<Sobek[m]>
Well I’m on my way, not there yet. Mais merci ! How did you guess I spoke French ?
<j`ey>
Sobek[m]: a) you've talked about french keyboard in here b) I know you from ##rust ;)
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<Sobek[m]>
Ahhh, yes !
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<Sobek[m]>
Well rebooting on recovery to try and fix those orphans doesn’t fix the orphan in Time Machine snapshots. (Those orphan will go away when the snapshot is deleted). If this still prevents Asahi from installing it is going to be a bit annoying.
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<Scott[m]1>
Been hanging out in here forever but infrequently check it. How's the CLI server performance on the Alpha? Feel free to smack me if I shouldn't be asking in here. I have a Mini and I've had dreams of running linux servers on these things.
<kode54>
DarkShadow44: it currently disables all QHD resolutions
<kode54>
because apparently, nobody has figured out the side channels necessary to get the EDID out of the DCP yet
<kode54>
and otherwise, the main channels simply expose a bunch of resolutions the display doesn't support
<kode54>
ie. it displays 3840x2160 on 1920x1080 panels
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<Scott[m]1>
j`ey: Thanks! What about the riff-raff running on a plain old M1? Any benchmarks for that? I'm sure it does well, just curious.
<j`ey>
Scott[m]1: phoronix posted some benchmarks recently too
<tpw_rules>
Scott[m]1: it's great. be sure to use a 16k kernel
<Scott[m]1>
j`ey: Found it, thanks!
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<Sobek[m]>
So after recovery fixed my APFS, the orphan in snapshot did not prevent the resize. I encountered on installer crash (the installer appears to be unhappy to be running anywhere else than /tmp/asahi, and fails to download / find the os image if downloaded and run from say ~/src/asahi/ (I like to inspect stuff a little bit before running them).
<Sobek[m]>
Currently waiting for the installer to finish filling up the root, before the 1TR reboot.
<Sobek[m]>
(I will upload the log for the installer crash)
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<j`ey>
I didnt think it would crash because of not being /tmp
<kode54>
how do you make kcbench pick a particular kernel version?
<kode54>
the help says it will pick 5.15 by default, but it picked 5.7
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<kode54>
oh, right, Arch still supplies GCC 11
<kode54>
don't tell me I have to compile and install my own GCC 12
<j`ey>
5.15 doesnt need GCC 12?
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<Sobek[m]>
So the installation worked like a charm, except the shutdown appears very brutal, I feel like this is not a normal shutdown, and might be loosing some of my state / data compared to normal shutdown.
<kode54>
j`ey: does it?
<j`ey>
kode54: no
<j`ey>
Sobek[m]: it just calls: shutdown -h now
<kode54>
well
<kode54>
that kcbench script
<Sobek[m]>
As for keyboard :
<Sobek[m]>
- The default is Wrong
<Sobek[m]>
- French (Macintosh) should be the default, and it has the @/# and the </> keys swapped
<kode54>
if you have GCC 10 or 11, it picks Linux 5.7 to build
<j`ey>
weird
<kode54>
which then complains about too new binutils
<kode54>
it also complained that I didn't have /usr/bin/time
<kode54>
since Arch defaults to just using the bash or zsh builtin
<Sobek[m]>
Does the install process require shutdown -h now to work, or could a normal shutdown (from the GUI) work too ?
<j`ey>
I assume a normal shutdown works too
<kode54>
the install script should be shutting your machine down when you press enter after reading that final notice
<Sobek[m]>
(Where should I report (if need be) the keyboard stuff ?)
<Sobek[m]>
kode54: Yes it does, but unlike when I use the menu stuff, (and the various window get closed, plus getting all the auto save requests et al), here the screen goes black immediately. (I'd say a option to reboot later would be great, one that allows me to ensure all good and shutdown using the macos menu)
<mps>
Sobek[m]: FB_EMULATION in kernel?
<j`ey>
maybe there's a 'better' shutdown command
<mps>
CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION=y
<kode54>
Sobek[m]: it can't reboot afterward
<mps>
I got blank screen imediately when CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION=n when invoke poweroff
<kode54>
it requires you to boot up again while holding the power button
<kode54>
shutdown is the only way to do that
<mps>
ah, you are talking about macos, sorry
<kode54>
oh
<kode54>
wait
<kode54>
Linux isn't rebooting for you?
<j`ey>
lol
<kode54>
sorry, I missed this whole conversation
<j`ey>
no, its just that the installer shuts down *immediately*
<kode54>
let me read up
<kode54>
oh, crud
<j`ey>
macOS GUI shutdwn is a little more 'graceful'
<kode54>
I didn't realize the macOS ui was doing a forced shutdown
<Sobek[m]>
I am talking about mac OS. Apart from the shutdown having been imho a bit too brutal, everything went well.
<kode54>
my boyfriend used to remotely do those to me when I wasn't going to bed and let it get to 6am
<j`ey>
Sobek[m]: I cant find anyting obvious in about 1minute of searching the web
<kode54>
it's the kick in the pants I needed at those times
<KDDLB>
that's not nice
<KDDLB>
:P
<kode54>
sorry
<kode54>
not relevant to this chat
<Sobek[m]>
Well, it definitely is brutal compared to the GUI shutdown. I think there must be a way to invoke the graceful shutdown (macOS installers do it, my AV software package too (well those do reboot, but hoepfully the same API can be used for shutdown))
<Sobek[m]>
Or you can just allow the user to get out of the install and tell them to manually shutdown.
<kode54>
possibly an applescript command
<Sobek[m]>
kode54: That's what -offtopic is for.
<Sobek[m]>
What's the repo to open the issue for brutal macOS shutdown ?
<j`ey>
Sobek[m]: or just change it to Press enter to shut down the system immediately