<marcan>
the CPU can't do two page sizes at the same time for a given userspace process, but it can switch between 4K and 16K modes, which is what macOS does
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<g_ww_alex[m]>
rust works
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<Lightsword>
is there a known compatibility issue with some hdmi devices on asahi linux(on the mac mini)? mine works with a normal monitor but not on my pikvm remote kvm
<tpw_rules>
yes
<tpw_rules>
if the hdmi device disconnects after the mini boots, it won't be able to reconnect. you'll have to wait for DCP support to land in the kernel before that will work
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, hmm, well I'm not disconnecting/reconnecting the pikvm, there's simply no output at all once asahi starts
* Lightsword
wonders if it's an edid related issue
<tpw_rules>
some monitors, including one i own, will disconnect and reconnect quickly when they come out of sleep mode
<tpw_rules>
but if e.g. the pikvm is not logically connected when you are not actively looking at it remotely, then it won't work
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, output just appears to stop immediately after handoff to the kernel(I think) even if I'm actively looking at it
<tpw_rules>
do you get output at some point?
<tpw_rules>
you can see grub fine?
<tpw_rules>
on the pikvm
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, oh, actually fails before grub
<Lightsword>
so guess not kernel issue
<tpw_rules>
can you see u-boot then?
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, so if I load from the normal mac bootloader os select thing and then select asahi linux the display immediately fails it appears after selecting asahi linux
<Lightsword>
I don't think u-boot comes up
<tpw_rules>
what if you do it from power on? it will boot asahi by default after the installer
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, yeah, boots fine, works fine over ssh, just no display output at all
<tpw_rules>
not even from power up?
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<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, yeah, no output at all if i don't hold power
<Lightsword>
tpw_rules, output immediately fails after hitting the continue button under the asahi logo if I hold power, there is a very brief flicker of corrupt output it seems
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<tpw_rules>
then try the solutions in that issue
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<Chainfire>
I thought this USB 5GbE adapter was just wonky as I have to dis/reconnect it multiple times to work right in macOS, but it works 100% on Asahi.
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<kode54>
what cabling do you even need for that to work?
<Chainfire>
A USB cable and an ethernet cable?
<Chainfire>
(cat5e mostly works fine up to 10GbE as long as its not very long, not using SFP+/DAC here)
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<AndreaDorigo[m]>
Chainfire: wait are you the SuperSU Chainfire?
<Chainfire>
AndreaDorigo[m]: guilty
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<kode54>
oh
<kode54>
I thought you needed clear runs of cat6 or something
<kode54>
I could totally switch to 5-10GbE here
<kode54>
I'd just need to replace three unmanaged gig switches
<kode54>
two 8 port, one 5 port
<kode54>
there's a three-switch chain between me and my router
<Chainfire>
I already had some equipment with 10GbE Ethernet ports, but if you're starting from scratch, do check out SFP+/DAC. It's usually a better solution.
<Chainfire>
cat5e isn't officially supported, but works for me over short distances. I think cat7 is recommended.
<kode54>
wait, so I buy an SFP and some sort of DAC for all the ethernet devices I still have?
<kode54>
because I sure as hell only have two computers I could equip with interface cards
<kode54>
in one case, it's such an old computer, it would be worth my trouble to completely replace it
<Chainfire>
Well for my laptops (unless dock) I use an USB adapter anyway, so USB/TB whatever it is doesn't matter. Computer, yeah, interface cards. For remaining Ethernet needs, just don't thrown away one of your old routers.
<kode54>
one of my computers is this Mac mini, which has all its ports already occupied
<Chainfire>
SFP+/DAC uses less power, generates less heat, and has lower latency. But yeah switching over from Ethernet can be a chore, part of the reason I didn't do it
<kode54>
another is my dad's iMac, which is a 2013 21.9" model
<kode54>
that would have Thunderbolt 2 ports free
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<Chainfire>
But I moved mostly all my storage from my HEDT to an all-flash NAS, running that on anything less than 10GbE is pretty useless.
<kode54>
I don't have the money to replace 10TB of storage with all flash right now
<kode54>
and now I use it so infrequently for accessing anything but random movies or music, I don't even need fast access
<Chainfire>
Very understandable. It's quite costly, but business expense for me. Anyway, if you want to go 10GbE, it really might be Ethernet is much better fit for you. Just saying, be sure to research SFP+ and Direct Attach Copper as well before you make a move.
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<kode54>
I have no budget, so I ain't budging
<Chainfire>
gdamn marcan making me switch streams
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<kode54>
this is some april fools stuff I can get behind
<Chainfire>
Love its GPU bringup. Exactly what I wanted to know more about. I strongly prefer marcan's actual voice, though
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<chadmed>
wireplumber... works now?
<povik>
i didn't do anything
<povik>
chadmed: you are reporting that?
<chadmed>
yeah sorry vague grammar
<chadmed>
nuked my root partition again to clear some crud and just reinstalled the funky pipewire stuff i do, and it works under wireplumber now!
<povik>
\o/
<povik>
would be better to know why it didn't work last time, but i will take it
<chadmed>
yeah not ideal not knowing but nice that it works
<chadmed>
its reproducible too so im guessing some bug with plugin routing got fixed
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<Sobek[m]>
Time to compile from source and use git bisect ?
<chadmed>
im not too concerned about bisecting it if the problem's been caught
<j`ey>
chadmed: a while back you linked some recordings, can you link them again?
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<chadmed>
on top of all the real life crap ive got to do in the next few weeks ive actually gone and caught covid like a sucker so sitting in front of this machine all day is out of the question current
<chadmed>
heh yeah thats why im not a fan of demonstrating audio systems like this, youre not really listening to the system
<chadmed>
youre listening to my iphone x's crappy mic record 64kbps mono audio which is then compressed further by twitter
<j`ey>
well im just listening on my old mba's speakers too
<j`ey>
Im so used to these tinny things, Im fine with it lol
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<bluetail[m]>
Foreach of USB bootables running on the m1 mac - which kind of medium is recommended? mps did give me alpine linux earlier as USB bootable cause its not installable yet.
<bluetail[m]>
I do have a couple of SATA SSD's that run over USB, but I had bad experience with thunderbolt drives as they tend to get too warm
<bluetail[m]>
* too warm and eject
<bluetail[m]>
Or would you even say running on a microSD card would be good enough? Or would it be a waste?
<mps>
bluetail[m]: I used usb flash sticks, so called for testing and have one as rescue system
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<mps>
once tried with mmc in usb adapter, and have one installation on the usb ssd disk, all works with proper cables and hubs/adapters
<Adie[m]>
does anyone know why Asahi only plays video sometimes instead of all the time/never?
<bluetail[m]>
mps: Yea but for 24/7 usage USB flash sticks are a bit slow, arent they
<bluetail[m]>
I also have those adaptors
<bluetail[m]>
I have an adapter made from lexar (S tier)
<bluetail[m]>
But I see - theres no profound recommendation yet for ideal performance
<mps>
bluetail[m]: yes, it doesn't make sense to m1 with external usb disks when they have nvme
<bluetail[m]>
yea
<mps>
these usb disks/sticks are only for installation and as rescue systems
<bluetail[m]>
would be cool if alpine gets installable through that installer script
<bluetail[m]>
I thought you said you used alpine as main os for its security, stability and performance
<bluetail[m]>
thats why I also wanted that - but instead of ARCH if it makes any sense at all
<bluetail[m]>
I mean
<j`ey>
bluetail[m]: mps installs alpine onto the nvme
<bluetail[m]>
j`ey: But his installer script is for USB boot
<bluetail[m]>
Perhaps theres no guide for internal nvme yet
<bluetail[m]>
(for alpine)
<mps>
bluetail[m]: when you boot usb I prepared there is script with short notes how to install alpine on nvme
<bluetail[m]>
confirm please : So I boot your usb stick, and then there are notes to install it permanently?
<bluetail[m]>
am I meant to delete the second AppleAPFSMedia partition?
<bluetail[m]>
I know I could read the damn wiki...
<bluetail[m]>
Wait - before I do
<bluetail[m]>
does the alpine linux you provide get asahi updates?
<bluetail[m]>
I mean - I could also let it be like that. Theres nothing 'wrong' with ARCH
<mps>
there is nothing wrong with Arch linux, ofc
<mps>
it is quite good distro, maybe I will use it daily if alpine doesn't exists
<mps>
and Debian is good ofc
<bluetail[m]>
I havent used alpine yet
<j`ey>
bluetail[m]: there's no asahi repo for alpine, like there is for arch
<bluetail[m]>
Oh, so I stay with the 'stable' alpha branch. Understood
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<mps>
my advice for all alpine newcomers is 'first try alpine on separate non-important machine or under VM' then decide is it for you
<bluetail[m]>
mps: How much different is it from a 'blank' OS without CLI? How the heck can it be worse than RHEL?
<bluetail[m]>
s/CLI/GUI/
<lkvrsfld[m]>
bluetail[m]: No systemd
<wlankabel[m]>
<Zanthed> "cmalvi: no thanks" <- Asahi/Xorg/i3-gaps/firefox/Youtube works for me if that helps
<bluetail[m]>
lkvrsfld[m]: oh... that changes things
<lkvrsfld[m]>
At least „worse“ for people coming from normal distros used to systemctl
<mps>
bluetail[m]: I'll dare to say that alpine is for somewhat experienced linux users
<lkvrsfld[m]>
No libc
<lkvrsfld[m]>
No bash xD
<bluetail[m]>
NO BASH?
<bluetail[m]>
You are kidding me
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Not as default
<bluetail[m]>
at least zsh?
<bluetail[m]>
:D
<mps>
though I know few unexperienced who installed and use it
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Ash
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<j`ey>
alpine has bash, just not installed by default
<mps>
lkvrsfld[m]: default shell is busybox ash
<mps>
j`ey: right and zsh and fish and tcsh ....
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<lkvrsfld[m]>
Ahh busybox
<lkvrsfld[m]>
So no gnu coreutils…
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<bluetail[m]>
no gnu find?
<bluetail[m]>
that sucks
<mps>
for example I can't use anything except tcsh for interactive use
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Remembers me of installing busybox on android 4.X to get linux deploy to work
<mps>
lkvrsfld[m]: coreutils exists, have to be installed
<bluetail[m]>
Ok it's decided, I wanna stay on Arch
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<j`ey>
bluetail[m]: all the tools that were just said, exist on alpine, just not in the default install
<lkvrsfld[m]>
mps: Most of these exist, they are just not default, and that is what makes alpine somehow lighter
<mps>
lkvrsfld[m]: coreutils are far as typing `apk add coreutils`
<bluetail[m]>
Yea but how am I supposed to get asahi updates like gpu support et cetera would it exist
<bluetail[m]>
or HDMI hotswap'
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Get‘s more difficult. You would need to compile the kernel / packages you need yourself when updates are coming
<lkvrsfld[m]>
mps: does updating the m1n1.bin work on alpine?
<bluetail[m]>
lkvrsfld[m]: I'm not willing todo that
<bluetail[m]>
I compile stuff
<bluetail[m]>
but ... I dont think I can do that on systems I dont know
<j`ey>
or install a prebuilt kernel package from mps
<mps>
lkvrsfld[m]: I think alpine is first distro with m1n1
<mps>
and linux-asahi kernel will be in alpine repo in few days
<bluetail[m]>
I just wait till its easier for me
<bluetail[m]>
* for me then
<mps>
I have to 'sort out' versioning scheme
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<lkvrsfld[m]>
I would stay on arch arm / reference distro for compatibility. Using the base arch install you‘ll get a pretty customizable system, if you dont want to use KDE.
<mps>
and about alpine (sorry for OT promotion), aarch64 and armv7 are 'first class citizens' and not separate thing like Arch alarm
<bluetail[m]>
lkvrsfld[m]: Thanks. I'll stick with your recommendation
<lkvrsfld[m]>
mps: thats true, and I‘m very upset. Used alarm as VM earlier, since i have the m1 air. But their repos etc. had been pretty unmaintained somehow.
<lkvrsfld[m]>
s/have/bought/
<kov>
I'd expect that to change quickly as more people start using asahi
<mps>
lkvrsfld[m]: and afaik only we (alpine) have separate and minimal kernels to run in VMs besides normal ones for bare metal
<kov>
another option is to wait for fedora to grow its support for asahi, I read in the channel that someone is already on it, so hopefully it'll be all integrated with the installer working and proper updating of the boot files soonish
<lkvrsfld[m]>
mps: mps: never heard of that. Very cool!
<lkvrsfld[m]>
kov: Thought some support has been in 5.13 and 5.15… i tried booting their latest asrch64 iso and it just stalled after grub
<lkvrsfld[m]>
* > <@_oftc_kov:matrix.org> another option is to wait for fedora to grow its support for asahi, I read in the channel that someone is already on it, so hopefully it'll be all integrated with the installer working and proper updating of the boot files soonish
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Thought some support has been in 5.13 and 5.15… i tried booting their latest aarch64 iso and it just stalled after grub
<kov>
lkvrsfld[m], yeah, upstream already has some support, not enough to properly boot though, but that won't be enough, anyway, it'll need to distribute boot.bin for proper upgrades
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<lkvrsfld[m]>
Definitely, didn‘t expect that. Just thought at least it should load Anaconda (or hoe their installer is called?)
<kov>
I use Fedora, so that's what I have atm, but I do my own kernel and m1n1/u-boot builds
<kov>
lkvrsfld[m], yeah, not enough upstream to get there I'm afraid, it's anaconda indeed
<lkvrsfld[m]>
kov: did you build an iso, or install it arch-like with a tar.gz?
<kov>
more or less the same way as asahi's default installer, yeah, tarball built from the raw image fedora publishes, and a bunch of manual hammering to get things right - I also need encrypted partitions, so I did all of that manually using the debian usb live system
<kov>
but again you'll need to do any kernel / m1n1 / u-boot updates yourself, so may be a good idea to stay on the official alpha distro for now if you're not comfortable with that
<lkvrsfld[m]>
Not really into package building for other distros, and i hate building stuff and installing it without any package manager (or something that logs ist)
<lkvrsfld[m]>
So i‘ll stay on arch + asahi repository for now (or for the next install, since 256G are pretty small, had to free up space)
<lkvrsfld[m]>
But thank you for the information :)
<mps>
asahi (project) is in alpha, so I think anyone who is not ready to 'hack around' should stay with default
<bluetail[m]>
I kind of agree
<mps>
glanzmann prepared debian for those who want debian, tpw_rules prepared nixos and I'm preparing alpine for those who are ready 'to hack' somewhat
<bluetail[m]>
I'll set a permanent SSH pass cause HDMI isnt working when replugged
<VinDuv>
hmm I don’t think the installer is supposed to say “Boot mode: macOS” under 1TR
<Adie[m]>
that's not in 1TR
<Adie[m]>
Anyways it acts the same throws out the same error
<Adie[m]>
From what I can tell
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<eaxk[m]>
how fast is development going? when can bluetooth be fixed and small things like that
<j`ey>
bluetooth isn't a small thing
<nicolas17>
how is bluetooth connected?
<nicolas17>
PCIe?
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<sven>
yes
<nicolas17>
and what's the state of PCIe?
<j`ey>
PCIe is fine
<sven>
iirc someone at least briefly looked into and it didn’t seem to be a standard component that already has a driver
<j`ey>
as a bus or whatever
<sven>
but yeah, pcie itself works
<nicolas17>
okay that's a good start
<sven>
wifi and the usb a ports and Ethernet are on there as well
<sven>
and they all work
<nicolas17>
is bluetooth not a standard broadcom or something?
<sven>
apparently not
<sven>
its Broadcom but not standard
<nicolas17>
okay, but that's also a bit encouraging
<j`ey>
eaxk[m]: a lot of the recent work from markan at least has been about distro stuff, not kernel
<sven>
maybe it’s similar to something, no idea. I just remember that someone concluded that there’s no driver that would work with small modifications
<nicolas17>
"not yet supported broadcom chip" should be easier than "whole new Apple-designed chip" I guess
<sven>
Apple’s designs are mostly sane. Broadcom not so much…
<nicolas17>
(which may be coming on future machines)
<nicolas17>
sven: oh for sure
<sven>
so maybe that custom apple chip would be easier because it makes sense :D
<nicolas17>
yeah but you already have drivers for older broadcom, surely this can't be *that* different :D *last famous words*
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<akshit-arch>
Hello
<akshit-arch>
I cannot add a 802.1x wireless connection to my asahi installation. It's eduroam, in fact. I added it using nmcli.
<akshit-arch>
sudo nmcli connection add type wifi con-name "eduroam" ifname wlan0 ssid "eduroam" -- wifi-sec.key-mgmt wpa-eap 802-1x.eap ttls 802-1x.phase2-auth pap 802-1x.identity "user@some.edu" 802-1x.anonymous-identity "****" 802-1x.password '*****' I added it using this command
<akshit-arch>
But when i do nmcli con up eduroam, i get Connection activation failed: Secrets were required, but not provided
<akshit-arch>
Hint: use 'journalctl -xe NM_CONNECTION=f038b164-3152-4ebc-9561-76dd61c039e9 + NM_DEVICE=wlan0' to get more details.
<mps>
I see m1n1 with rust is built for fedora. could someone tell where is fedora source of m1n1 pkg
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<mps>
source used to build pkg I mean
<mps>
iirc someone who is working on asahi for fedora is/was here
<mps>
psykose: thanks, and looks like you are right
<j`ey>
asahi logo is nicer :P
<mps>
I've again got `error: failed to load source for dependency `bitflags`` when building m1n1 on alpine
<j`ey>
didnt copy the bitflags folder?
<mps>
looks line no
<mps>
maybe run `git submodule --init` again
<mps>
hmm, no
<mps>
src/m1n1-1.0.2/rust/vendor/bitflags/ dir exists but is empty
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<jannau>
git submodule update
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<mps>
jannau: tried but also doesn't help
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<mps>
ok, will make again ready made tarball
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<jannau>
mps: still no contents? any helpful output? `git submodule sync && git submodule update -f --init`
<mps>
jannau: nothing
<mps>
oh, ofc, there is no .git dir in m1n1 release tarball
<mps>
good, now rust panicked
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<asahi-test[m]>
<bluetail[m]> "> <@bluetail:matrix.org> Thunder..." <- Thanks, i meant i can transfer files from macos to here with the device, not fully working though
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<bluetail[m]>
One of the biggest benefits switching from macOS to linux is no more ._ files, thumbs.db and so on
<bluetail[m]>
I literally purchased a tool for macOS some time back that fails to clean them :D
<ChaosPrincess>
find / -name '._*' -delete :P
<ChaosPrincess>
that would be $4.99, please
<bluetail[m]>
<ChaosPrincess> "find / -name '._*' -delete :P" <- it works from linux to mac over SMB. But in mac you have to use gfind. Also on mac, it doesnt find everything... Also you forgot .debris :D ...
<ChaosPrincess>
it usually works fine for random usb sticks
<ChaosPrincess>
also, whats .debris
<bluetail[m]>
something like the recycle bin folder
<bluetail[m]>
sad to say even on linux thats a thing
<ChaosPrincess>
i thought it lives in /.Trashes.
<bluetail[m]>
idk, some sync tools create a .debris folder
<bluetail[m]>
(MEGAsync for instance)
<bluetail[m]>
if not
<bluetail[m]>
its just from macOS idk
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