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<marcan> scardracs: yeah, I had to drop it after I realized I really couldn't put the time into it after starting Asahi :(
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<scardracs> marcan: I know what you mean :) maintaining gentoo in a serious way takes really lots of time. I see how many devs like Sam and others work on it tirelessly everyday to make gentoo one of the best existing OS.
<scardracs> Personally I really admire them, as I admire your (asahi devs) work on asahilinux
<scardracs> The thing I love most about gentoo is how the ebuilds are made: they are clean and must follows strict rules to work, making really hard to do errors and cause issues
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<chadmed> please do not look at any of the ebuilds in the overlay if you think that :P
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<tpw_rules> so does the 30-modeset.conf mean that dcp is now enabled by default?
<tpw_rules> i guess it is probably still for the edge config
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<thasti> I think the GPU driver+kernel update just bricked my M2 MBP asahi installation (?)
<thasti> it attempted booting once, however Xorg didn't start and I got a kernel stacktrace instead - after rebooting m1n1 is saying "chainload: NVME init failed" and starts the proxy
<thasti> M2 MBA*
<thasti> I may have forgotten to do a full upgrade (-Syu) before installing linux-asahi-edge and meas-asahi-edge though ..
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<scardracs> chadmed: in fact I don’t use any overlay. They are a bad place :P
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<chadmed_> are you trying to maintain m1n1, the scripts, u-boot, the kernel, the firmware loader and the initramfs infrastructure by yourself...
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<jannau> thasti: that looks more like an unclean shutdown. try to reboot to macos and try again
<thasti> indeed, I had to shutdown non-cleanly..
<thasti> thanks for the hint, will try this evening
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<jannau> it's the 1st stage m1n1 failing to use the nvme so that is unrelated to anything you've done in the system
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<thasti> here's two screencaps I got (first one of the kernel oops on the first reboot)
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<Chainfire> No joy on edge+gpu install. Wasn't running edge before so not sure which one is the problem. Booting on edge flashes a black screen with a cursor in the middle for a split second, then goes back to text, but no dump/crash on-screen. Booting normal kernel still works. MBP M1 Max. Any ideas?
<jannau> Chainfire: the system is fully up-to-date? does `pacman -Syu report anything unusual?
<scardracs> chadmed: that’s not what I meant ‘:) I’m actually using asahi under MBA
<Chainfire> I'd get some logs but I'm not sure where since I can't do anything, ssh not yet working, ctrl+option+f1/f2/etc doesn't give me a text terminal
<Chainfire> jannau> pretty sure yes, I'll reboot again in non-edge to make sure
<scardracs> And I don consider your repo an overlay but an essential repo like gentoo as it is required to make MBA working ;)
<scardracs> MBs*
<Chainfire> I do get an on-screen error during boot about brcm/br firmware not being found but that's been there forever and probably unrelated
<Chainfire> cant stat /vendorfw/
<chadmed_> scardracs: ah right, its still just as chaotic and gross as any other overlay though :P
<scardracs> Lol
<chadmed_> i have a branch locally with fixes to conform to upstream standards but i havent been bothered to merge it
<Chainfire> jannua> ok I'm an idiot. ctrl+option+f2 does work after some waiting. pacman reports nothing unusual
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<blackMysticCat> How do we report issues with the GPU drivers/applications? I can't get kitty to start, has anyone been able to?
<j`ey> check what GL version kitty requires
<blackMysticCat> how do we set LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 for the app?
<blackMysticCat> Requires OpenGL 3.3 drivers -- but it worked previously?
<j`ey> previously it was using software rendering
<cy8aer> If you call it from terminal just: "LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 appname"
<jannau> Chainfire: have you done any bootloader / initrd related changes to the system?
<cy8aer> and a desktop file can prepared the same way (e. g. with "alacarte")
<blackMysticCat> that works! Ill comment on the issue
<j`ey> dont need to
<j`ey> 'f you find an app that does not start up at all, please don’t report it as a bug. Lots of apps won’t work because they require a newer GL version than what we support.'
<blackMysticCat> Im confused then on this first bulletpoint in the link you sent. It says to comment on that issue if it is a popular app part of the arch linux arm repo?
<j`ey> oh sorry on that issue, yeah!
<Chainfire> jannau> Not that I know of. Sounds firmly beyond my skill level. asahi-diagnose here https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/files/10174109/asahi-diagnose-20221207-090233.txt
<Chainfire> Seems like X isn't finding a display at all. I also saw in another person's asahi-diagnose that appledrm is being detected, which doesn't seem to happen for my setup at all
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<jannau> Chainfire: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-modeset.conf exists?
<jannau> I don't understand how anyone can read the Xorg logs
<Chainfire> jannau> it does not
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<blackMysticCat> j`ey, should I comment on this issue from the first bulletpoint of that article, or should I leave it for more complex failures? I feel like it would become huge if everyone commented when a newer opengl is required and LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE fixes it
<jannau> Chainfire: any idea why asahi-meta or asahi-desktop-meta are not installed? is this a very old install?
<Chainfire> jannau> yeah this was originally installed pretty much when Asahi first came out
<Chainfire> and upgraded ever since
<j`ey> blackMysticCat: no, youre right, I think its worth mentioning kitty on https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/issues/73
<jannau> has to be from before the first announcement
<j`ey> blackMysticCat: I think kitty is probably pretty popular
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<jannau> Chainfire: everything should work after installing asahi-desktop-meta
<Chainfire> jannau> well if that were the case how would I have known about it :')
<jannau> I don't follow
<Chainfire> If I had this installed before the first announcement, how would I have known Asahi existed? That seems unlikely
<j`ey> from irc etc
<j`ey> people had installed it before the first 'release'
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<simpledcp> yay, our doom port is working with the latest mesa and kernel (even with shadowmaps and stencil lighting, a little bit slow though) https://files.catbox.moe/ped0q9.png
<Chainfire> jannau> j`ey> regardless, this worked, up and running. Thanks!
<jannau> I mean before https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/ - the meta packages were a late addition just before the anouncement. you either removed them or installed asahi before the anouncement via irc
<j`ey> simpledcp: woo
<simpledcp> thank you for all the hard work!!!
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<Chainfire> jannau> ah right, that is certainly possible
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<as400> It's alive !!! You made me the best birthday present. Had a birthday yesterday :) And once more thanks for your incredible work !!!
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<rowanG337> Is it possible to change the fan curve on Asahi Linux?
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<maz> Chainfire: I had issues with X not coming up, solved by not compiling the efifb driver... YMMV.
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<morro> Hello everyone!
<morro> Does anyone know how Lina did manage to record the screen (wayland session) ?
<morro> I built OBS from source (official pkgbuild) but I can only make it "work" if I set to software rendering
<morro> Otherwise I get "error: Failed to initialize video. Your GPU may not be supported, or your graphics drivers may need to be updated."
<j`ey> morro: she's streaming right now, you could ask
<_jannau_> morro: on an apple silicon device? I think she's not using that yet. screen capture requires cooperation with the compositor under wayland. please search for "$compositor screen capture" first
<morro> maybe I've got it wrong but I think I've seen her test OBS a few streams ago.. don't remember which stream and at what time thogh..
<j`ey> I thought I saw her using OBS too
<morro> she said I need to give the mesa option to override GL version!
<morro> I must have missed that part so does anyone know the variable names and what values?
<morro> I tried something like
<morro> MESA_GLES_VERSION_OVERRIDE=2.0 MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=2.0 /usr/bin/obs
<morro> But it doesn't work, I'll keep trying with different settings
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<zanfix> Hi here, is somebody using remmina on wayland KDE plasma for RDP session and FN key translates to Home key on the remote machine? Does not happen with X11
<zanfix> macbook air M1
<zanfix> already searched the web and issue trackers and did not find anything...
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<morro> found it
<morro> MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.3 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=330 /usr/bin/obs
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<bluetail> chadmed yeah in asahi. Plasma+wayland
<bluetail> KDE5 Plasam. Kernel: aarch64 Linux 6.1.0-rc8-asahi-3-1-edge-ARCH . But I assume GPU support is not given due to high cpu load in OBS and no GPU showing up in screenfetch / neofetch
<chadmed> what does the "about this system
<jannau> I'm also not sure why you mention chadmed, I'm not even sure if he uses asahi linux
<chadmed> yeah i gentoo :P
<chadmed> i use*
<chadmed> but what does the "about this system" page in kde settings say
<jannau> bluetail: I think obs requires opengl es 3
<bluetail> jannau I use the original asahi linux package
<bluetail> with the default 'sane' recommendations
<bluetail> Okay, I'm on X11, that's strange.
<jannau> `MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.3 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=330 /usr/bin/obs` seems to work for gpu support in obs but if something breaks keep the pieces
<bluetail> chadmed https://termbin.com/6w1t
<morro> jannau what do you mean by that, no real damage can be caused right=
<chadmed> no, just dont file a bug report when stuff isnt working as intended
<bluetail> I'm obviously doing something wrong. 34% load on all cores just using screen recorder in OBS. I assume its cause its not handled by the GPU.
<morro> anyways now I realized I cant't capture the screen, it's all black after choosing the monitor
<morro> anyways now I realized I cant't capture the screen, it's all black after choosing the monitor (wayland-pipewire)
<chadmed> yeah it hasnt found the gpu, my first guess would be DTs werent updated but i cant be sure because idk what the flow is on default asahi
<morro> info: [pipewire] Negotiated format:
<morro> info: [pipewire] Format: 12 (Spa:Enum:VideoFormat:BGRA)
<morro> info: [pipewire] Modifier: 0
<morro> info: [pipewire] Size: 2560x1600
<morro> info: [pipewire] Framerate: 0/1
<chadmed> works in gentoo using my overlay and thats all i personally care about
<bluetail> I gonna re-read the blog entry
<jannau> morro: no damage expected but don't be surprised about crashes or misrendering and don't report any issues to obs
<bluetail> I am sure I must have missed something
<jannau> you seem to have missed at least the bit about asahi-diagnose
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<kujeger> I'm curious, what pieces would need to be in place for running the display at >60 hz? Or is this something that can already be done by tweaking a bit (running under wayland/sway)? from what I can read mac os does something funky with adaptive refresh rate/ "pro motion"?
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<chadmed_> its a DCP driver thing. framebuffer swaps are limited to 60 fps at the moment, so the 120hz static mode is hidden (we can enable it no worries)
<chadmed_> not sure whats needed for VRR but that will eventually work too i imagine
<jannau> I don't know. dcp reports a 120Hz mode but limits fb swaps to 60Hz anyway. either there is a flag which has to be set or we have to start using timestamps. I haven't yet looked into what mac os does for promotion
<jannau> to support this in linux we might need VRR support. This is a low priority item for me
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<kujeger> ah, interesting! And yeah, I can't imagine it would be a priority compared to, well, everything else :P
<phb> Hey guys, thanks for the release! Am I missing something, or why doesn't wayland work with Gnome and Plasma anymore(on asahi-linux-edge)?
<kujeger> just running the desktop with acceleration is already much more pleasurable than before
<chadmed_> phb: did you read lina and alyssa's blog post?
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<jannau> phb: it should. can you post the output of asahi-diagnose?
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<phb> starting any of those sessions (gnome-session, plasma) with wayland (for example through sddm) only crashes back to the login manager. jannau: i will :)
<phb> I'll reboot first, to minimize the noise
<bluetail> chadmed I'm astonished - even 240hz works. And what jannau said "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.3 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=330" works for firefox too. Without, I'm stuck at 60fps at testufo.com . With, I get solid 240fps.
<bluetail> I did start through emptty tho
<bluetail> ( I'm on KDE Plasma Wayland), and the GPU shows up
<bluetail> utilization of the cpu went down 25% using the GPU for OBS instead of the CPU
<bluetail> What is still a bit of a bummer to me is that a frequency of 240fps in the browser for testufo.com would get my m1 mac mini to 30% cpu utilization alone. I assume its cause the gpu support is still in the works ;)
<jannau> phb: nothing particularly suspicious. can you try starting weston (with and without login manager)
<bluetail> I had to start the wayland setting as sudo. Gotta look why later...
<steffen[m]> phb: jannau: that's in there: Dec 07 12:18:12 alarm kernel: asahi 206400000.gpu: Unsupported GPU/firmware combination (G13, [12, 4, 0])
<jannau> steffen[m]: good catch
<phb> oh, interesting
<jannau> phb: you use an unsupported macos stub version on a m1 device
<phb> used the latest, did a reinstall today.
<phb> so I'll try 12.3?
<jannau> yes, did you use the expert mode?
<phb> yes. maybe i'm not expert enough
<Chainfire> so ehh.. how do I bluetooth? Settings -> Bluetooth shows "no devices paired", but not a button to add one?
<steffen[m]> in kde? i see a button on the bottom
<chadmed_> try resizing the window
<steffen[m]> there's also a button on the bluetooth tray
<Chainfire> Yeah KDE Plasma. Resizing doesn't help. Don't have a tray button either, hmm
<Chainfire> ... systemctl enable bluetooth ...
<Chainfire> facepalm
<steffen[m]> ah, was about to suggest systemctl status bluetooth
<steffen[m]> where's kde getting the battery health from. I looked at /sys/class/power_supply/macsmc-battery but i can't find the percentage there
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<chadmed_> (charge_now / charge_full) * 100
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<morro> xonotic from the aur doesn't seem to build. Again, I know for a fact that Lina did it, anyone knows how?
<steffen[m]> chadmed_: i guess charge_full / charge_full_design. I'm apparently already at 80% after 220 cycles
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<chadmed_> oh health* sorry yeah i am illiterate
<chadmed_> sounds like your battery has failed, id check with what macos has to say and if its that rooted after 200 cycles take it back to where you got it
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<steffen[m]> Will do. Although it's likely to old for warranty now
<steffen[m]> hasn't really been an issue for me yet. I just saw the 80% and thought that's low
<_jannau_> I'm also not satiesfied with the reported battery health of my mbp 14" which was mostly used stationary. I think it improved after a discharge /charge cycle in macos
<_jannau_> I think we might have a power management issue with mbp 14"/16". 9-10W idle with 100 nits display seems too much
<steffen[m]> macos battery health is 88%. let's see if it persists
<chadmed_> jannau: theres definitely something sus about power management on the 14" i suspended earlier today and came back a couple hours to the machine being extremely hot and only having 30% battery left
<chadmed_> it was definitely suspended
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<chadmed_> and yeah when on i get 7-9W at the desktop with nothing going on at min dcp brightness, it's too high
<chadmed_> ive put my battery through 240 cycles and linux reports 90% batt health. macos reports 96% or thereabouts.
<_jannau_> macbook pro 13" m2 reports 3W under similar conditions
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<chadmed_> 6W is the floor here
<chadmed_> ~6.15-6.5W
<chadmed_> i wonder if its just scheduling lighting up the firestorm cores more since theres only two icestorm on t600x
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<as400> chadmed: I can confirm - my mbp 14 lowest I've seen was 6.15W
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<handlerug> I just installed Asahi Linux (the minimal ALARM version) on a MBP M1 Max 16" and I see a Speaker mixer item unmuted in alsamixer. should I mute it or it's disabled at a lower level?
<phb> does idevicerestore work with the M1 macs?
<j`ey> yup
<povik> handlerug: it's disabled at a lower level
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<Chainfire> Has anyone noticed that between the taskbar and a maximized window there's a one-pixel line of background peaking through? I don't think I've changed any theming options at all since install other than switching to dark. I think this happened pre-GPU as well
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<_jannau_> that sounds like a (fractional) scaling like the one where xdpyinfo reports dimensions being off by one
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<Chainfire> hmm yeah going from 150% to 200% seems to fix it
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<SuperBalou> Hello ! Small question, on a Macbook (air M2) running Asahi, is there a way to make the keyboard behave like on MacOS ? like copy / paste with command instead of control
<SuperBalou> I cannot find a way to make a pipe hahaha
<SuperBalou> and great work with the GPU driver, installed this morning, works like a charm ! some graphical glitches here and there but very stable, thanks a lot for this
<ChaosPrincess> try this: https://superuser.com/a/393730
<ChaosPrincess> linux treats the command key like the windows key on normal keyboards
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<SuperBalou> perfect, thanks !
<jannau> isn't that annoying as well? you could also add shortcuts for command + c/v in kde's system settings
<jannau> not sure if that will work universally
<jannau> in non-kde apps
<SuperBalou> I still can't make a pipe haha, but I may need to reboot because I edited a lot of stuff
<cy8aer> SuperBalou: did you play with "/sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/" ?
<cy8aer> (for you more disable than enable)
<SuperBalou> I had to add options hid_apple iso_layout=1 to hid_apple.conf in order to place the @ key at the right place (I suppose it's caused by my french AZERTY keyboard)
<SuperBalou> and I may have changed /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/swap_opt_cmd
<SuperBalou> which looks like it fixes the copy / paste
<SuperBalou> but I still can't make a pipe :/
<ChaosPrincess> there is a chance that azerty keyboard support in asahi is just broken, m2's keyboard is a bit special
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<aurelian> hi all, thanks for all the hard work on Asahi. Is it possible to render around the notch on the 14/16" MBP? I'd like to put a status bar up there
<SuperBalou> should I report this anywhere @ChaosPrincess ?
<j`ey> aurelian: it isn't possible for now, without rebuilding some stuff manually
<ChaosPrincess> aurelian: recompile m1n1 and comment out this line https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1/blob/426604926d162850b44c2322f03c4030fc7bc451/src/kboot.c#L202
<ChaosPrincess> SuperBalou: bug tracker maybe, idk
<aurelian> fantastic, thank you!
<aurelian> one more question, is it safe to set the refresh rate in Sway to 120 Hz?
<ChaosPrincess> i think it won't work anyway
<aurelian> fair enough
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<jannau> it's not possible on mbp 14/16" and even if it were it would not work
<SuperBalou> ChaosPrincess, sorry, there is a lot of trackers, should I report this on https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux ?
<ChaosPrincess> probably?
<SuperBalou> I'll try, thanks !
<aurelian> jannau: is 120Hz support on the roadmap?
<phb_> j`ey: tpw_rules: thanks, i gave up on idevicerestore thanks to the broken AUR package. I'll try using nix
<jannau> aurelian: around 2030
<aurelian> haha ok
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<tinstew> hello was just wondering is it was possible to install https://unity.ubuntuunity.org/blog/unity-for-arch/ on my m1 MBA
<tinstew> currently unsure if they have a arm package but they do package a raspberry pi ubuntu varent so id assume so
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<scardracs> New kernels does not have a way to mount usb inside rescue mode. I there a way to deal with it?
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<jannau> add missing modules to the initramfs
<sven> you're likely just missing some module
<jannau> most likely atcphy
<sven> if I had to bet it's atcphy of nvmem
<sven> *or
<sven> jannau: you're too fast :D
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<jannau> just 1-2 seconds :), you're more precise though
<tinstew> but im a unity de fan and would love it running on a m series chip
<tinstew> and yes i did try but lightdm faild to start and no i didnt get logs because i dont know how plus once re entering kde the trackpaad wasnt too happy i belive it installed a synapic trackpad driver while installing unity de so had to wipe it and start again but yet to start again
<tinstew> and will probs wait till its officially tested
<tinstew> would also be neat to figure out how to swap command as control so i can use command+key insted of control+key for shortcuts
<tinstew> because im not a fan of where the control key is on an mac layout or even swap control and option would work too if the earlier not a option
<tinstew> but even that is slightly odd lol
<tinstew> do excuse my waffleing i tend to talk alot lol
<scardracs> Is it enough to modprobe it or need to rebuild kernel too?
<scardracs> jannau: sven :
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<tinstew> j`ey: cheers bookmarked for later
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<scardracs> No one?
<axboe> are all the bits in asahi-wip at this point to give the gpu a whirl?
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<axboe> error[E0425]: cannot find function `of_node_get` in crate `bindings`
<axboe> hmm maybe not
<jannau> axboe: even in asahi, going forward the distinction will be in the config. asahi-wip might be completely broken at times
<jannau> axboe: that sounds like a missing config dependency
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<axboe> jannau: sounds reasonable
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<scardracs> jannau: please answer me
<axboe> yeah I guess it could be a missing dep, let me check...
<axboe> jannau: CONFIG_OF_OVERLAY=y
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<povik> huh, does the gpu driver make use of an overlay, or is that a case of blanket dependency by the bindings?
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<jannau> of_node_get needs CONFIG_OF_DYNAMIC=y and CONFIG_OF_OVERLAY=y is the exposed switch for that
<povik> aha
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<scardracs> I’m still here waiting for an answer…
<j`ey> scardracs: you probably wont get one with that attitude!
<j`ey> scardracs: just try modprobe, if it works thats good, if not, maybe you dont actually have those modules in your initramfs
<scardracs> I don’t even know what I have to modprobe! That’s why I’m still waiting for an answer
<scardracs> They said atcphy but actually it isn’t a valid module
<axboe> scardracs: I think you're out of your depth a little bit, and most folks on here don't have time to help with basic things like that. you're better off asking in a kernel newbies environment, this isn't really specific (or related) to asahi-linux
<psykose> it's most likely not a valid module because it's not in the initramfs
<scardracs> Okok, I’ll figure out
<sven> the module is probably just called phy_atcphy or whatever
<sven> i can't ever remember the exact name
<axboe> and as general advice, stop making demands you are in no position to make. people are donating their free time here, and don't owe anyone anything
<scardracs> Nevermind, I’ve broken the OS
<scardracs> sven: atcphy is not even in my .config and I’m running linux-asahi-edge
<sven> uhhh.... i seriously doubt that
<scardracs> I looked for it using cat
<scardracs> In /proc/config.ha
<scardracs> gz *
<j`ey> CONFIG_PHY_APPLE_ATC
<sven> *sigh*
<scardracs> …
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<j`ey> scardracs: is that what you looked for?
<scardracs> Was that so difficult to tell me instead of attack me?
<scardracs> I was looking for atcphy
<sven> you know what's even easier for me? /ignore.
<scardracs> I see
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<tinstew> hmm just relised it says my isp in my join message thats kinda interesting
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<phb> anyone here knows why usbmuxd isn't putting my m1 air into restore mode? I'm running idevicerestore from arch, using only nix packages as described, i built (nix-build) usbmuxd and idevicerestore, tried with the usbmuxd service, it alway hangs at -..."Sending RestoreKernelCache (25201647 bytes)... Waiting for device to enter restore mode... ERROR: Device failed to enter restore mode. Please make sure that usbmuxd is running."
<tinstew> yes i know kind of off topic but could someone explain why its like that in offtopic channel because im intrested to the story behind it
<opticron> tinstew, I think the server does reverse-dns on your IP when you connect
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<tpw_rules> phb: did you start usbmuxd in the background?
<tpw_rules> i did not use it as a service
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