marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/ | General project discussion | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi
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<MuonBluon> hi
<MuonBluon> can anyone tell me the result of "iw list" command on asahi linux?
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<amw> MuonBluon: I pasted my output here - https://paste.debian.net/1250377/
<amw> I'm looking to upgrade my MacOS and then refresh the m1n1+u-boot - I can't see any guidance on the Wiki about this does it exist?
<amw> The alpha release notes for the installer suggests there is a UEFI environment only option - but it appears to be commented out in the installer/main.py code - is this actually supported at the moment?
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<amw> j`ey: Thanks - I'll give it a go later tonight!
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<jannau> amw: I don't see how the installer is in any practical way helping you to update m1n1 + u-boot
<jannau> prepare to do that from your installed system like the asahi install does
<jannau> assuming you don't use a old (manual) installation without chainloading
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<jannau> hmm, deleting the existing stub and EFI partition and installing UEFI only option probably works
<jannau> but I still don't see the point if the original install was done after the alpha release announcement
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<Cy8aer[m]> Just to prove: Encrypting the parent MacOS does not effect the Linux stub?
<Cy8aer[m]> Is encryption needed anyways? These M1-Machines do have some T2 chip. But it asked for encrypting some time ago...
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<ElvishJerricco[m]> Cy8aer: The only thing that the on-board automatic encryption does is protect you from someone desoldering your flash modules and putting them onto something else (though I guess with the Studio it's not even a desoldering job). Having full disk encryption at the OS level means that if an attacker manages to boot other software on your machine, they can't access any data.
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<ElvishJerricco[m]> oh, but yea, enabling filevault on the macOS installation shouldn't affect linux
<Cy8aer[m]> ElvishJerricco: ok, understood. Then: Does it effect the stub?
<Cy8aer[m]> Thanks for the information.
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<Cy8aer[m]> ... and it really worked.
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<ElvishJerricco[m]> Cy8aer: I guess I kind of oversimplified FWIW. IIUC, the secure enclave does encrypt your storage, and once you get an OS running on the system that encryption is transparent so you can access it freely. But I shouldn't underplay that it does a really good job at securing which OS is allowed to run. But of course asahi gets it set up to boot u-boot and then u-boot can just boot anything it wants, like a usb drive. So to maintain the
<ElvishJerricco[m]> security that the enclave tries to provide you have to secure the boot chain from u-boot forward.
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<sven> if you enable FileVault you won’t be able to read plaintext data from a different OS install (i.e. you will only be able to se encrypted macOS partitions from the Linux stub)
<sven> *see
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<Cy8aer[m]> ElvishJerricco: For the linux side I have my [classical encryptded main system and unencrypted `/boot`](https://g3la.de/hedgedoc/s/MIaCyVv1A#). That should be enough by now.
<Cy8aer[m]> I read from marcan that they long term plan to secure boot if they are able too, so the linux side should then more or less safe.
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<sven> yes, secure boot will eventually be supported
<sven> and hopefully also full disk encryption supported by the Secure Enclave
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