<jannau>
marcan: the used color format is annotated as wide gammut so the result seems to be expected. I wonder how iboot configures the boot framebuffer
<jannau>
err, that was intended for #asahi-dev
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<chadmed>
joske: acking your message from a couple days ago (my time). cant really do much about it atm as ive started a new job two weeks before christmas so im a bit busy
<chadmed>
but ill get around to looking into it again soon
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<joske>
chadmed: yes, I had the same again yesterday
<joske>
no worries, work comes first
<joske>
I just lost my job, so I have a bit of time ;-). Any hints on what I could try?
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* povik
just finished $longstanding_overdue_task
<povik>
so i should have more time too
<sven>
just one more week of $work until ny vacation time starts here…
<joske>
looking forward to what you two will produce then :-)
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<bcrumb>
so
<bcrumb>
i noticed if using the apparmor.d aur repo that systemd backlight gets blocked when trying to read max_brightness
<bcrumb>
just as a heads up, i will try to pr in a fix on their repo if i manage to do it here
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<bcrumb>
and also i think that changing display brightness does not properly work
<bcrumb>
it's throwing no DENIED's when trying it manually though
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<DexterHaxxor>
When Asahi starts supporting Vulkan, is there any possibility that Apple won't like that? I mean, as far as I can tell, Vulkan is competition for them (for some reason).
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<j`ey>
DexterHaxxor: nah because noone is going to support metal on linux!
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<DexterHaxxor>
sure, but gamers will then install Asahi to get better performance in games and Apple will be mad
<Puto>
why would they
<Puto>
you already bought their hardware
<Puto>
that’s what they make the most money from
<DexterHaxxor>
i think they would support Vulkan themselves if they thought it would make them money
<DexterHaxxor>
is there a chance they will try to hinder the GPUs on Linux somehow?
<Puto>
no
<Puto>
apple have literally zero history of locking down mac hardware to other OSes
<Puto>
they don’t actually lose any money from you installing linux on a mac
<Puto>
they don’t sell macOS, they sell computers with “can run macOS” as a selling feature
<ChaosPrincess>
there are some unrealized gains from potentially not buying space in icloud or using mac app store.
<handlerug>
not sure if this is an issue with asahi drivers, but screencopy in wlroots-based compositors takes like 5 seconds
<ChaosPrincess>
but since you can bypass mac app store and apple tax on macos anyway, i dont think they care much
<Puto>
^
<Puto>
macos isn’t a walled garden, unlike iOS
<Puto>
so that’s kind of irrelevant
<DexterHaxxor>
but they loose the support of developers, because then developers will just say "install Linux to run X" and people will be less interested in buying a Mac just to put Linux on it
<ChaosPrincess>
lolnope
<Puto>
developers would never say “just install linux” on anything
<Puto>
that’s not how the world works
<ChaosPrincess>
if you think you as a developer can have linux as a prerequisite of your commercial software, you should reconsider
<DexterHaxxor>
i can see game developers not wanting to support macOS
<ChaosPrincess>
yea, and they will support only winders
<Puto>
yes. but those also wouldn’t want to support linux either.
<Puto>
there’s more games on macOS than on linux lol
<ChaosPrincess>
cause why cater to a fraction of a fraction, when you can support one platform
<DexterHaxxor>
Linux PC gaming is actually better nowadays
<Puto>
mostly because of proton. which will never perform well on apple silicon
<Puto>
because it’d be running under x86 emulation
<ChaosPrincess>
DexterHaxxor: linux gaming is only better if you are a nerd who can deal with linux jank
<ChaosPrincess>
there is a good reasons consoles exist
<ChaosPrincess>
people just want to put the disk in and play
<ChaosPrincess>
and not deal with everything else
<Puto>
also, nobody buys a mac to play games
<Puto>
seriously.
<DexterHaxxor>
i am a nerd and gaming on linux has been pretty painless for me
<ChaosPrincess>
correct
<ChaosPrincess>
now imagine you are a 40-something trying to buy forkknife for your kid
<DexterHaxxor>
so you're saying that i shouldn't worry about M1 Macs becoming a walled garden in the future?
<ChaosPrincess>
ofc not
<Puto>
I think that if they were going to make macs walled gardens, they’d have done it with the transition
<ChaosPrincess>
apple made choices that show that they dont care about what happens here
<Puto>
not later.
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<DexterHaxxor>
now the question is: will Apple try to fight MoltenVK on iOS?
<ChaosPrincess>
no
<Puto>
on iOS, it’s possible. iOS *is* a walled garden
<DexterHaxxor>
they really hate Vulkan for some reason
<ChaosPrincess>
they want to help devs, not make life harder
<Puto>
but it’s unlikely, since the games would still have to end up on the app store
<Puto>
so they’d make money regardless
<ChaosPrincess>
so, if the dev can wrap their game in moltenvk and throw it on app store, its ok
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<Puto>
they don’t make money from metal specifically
<DexterHaxxor>
well then why does Metal exist?
<Puto>
they made metal to make game development on iOS and Mac easier so they can make money
<ChaosPrincess>
metal exists to replace opengl
<Puto>
it’s not like metal has a licensing fee or anything
<Puto>
it’s an api.
<DexterHaxxor>
did metal or vulkan come first, i forgot
<ChaosPrincess>
metal
<Puto>
metal came first
<DexterHaxxor>
oh that explains it, i thought it was the opposite
<Puto>
apple don’t usually reinvent stuff unnecessarily, but if it doesn’t exist, they will invent it and stick to it even if another option shows up later
<DexterHaxxor>
apple likes to invent their own things instead of coordinating with everyone else and then it takes them ages to adopt the standard option
<Puto>
yeah, but if the standard version already existed then they will usually just use that instead of reinventing the wheel
<DexterHaxxor>
maybe in 2025 we'll have native support for Vulkan on macOS
<Puto>
wouldn’t count on it
<DexterHaxxor>
2030
<Puto>
maybe.
<Puto>
or maybe moltenvk will become good enough that it won’t matter
<DexterHaxxor>
i mean, macOS 13 just introduced webp
<ChaosPrincess>
webp is actually because of heic
<DexterHaxxor>
wait not webp
<ChaosPrincess>
and royalties from that
<ChaosPrincess>
vp9? same story, but s/heic/hevc/
<DexterHaxxor>
.avif
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<DexterHaxxor>
just two years behind google chrome
<ChaosPrincess>
similar -ish story, apple wants money for heic
<ChaosPrincess>
this one is due to them being 'evil'
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<DexterHaxxor>
oh and while we're at it, where did the rumours originate that Apple would close down the M1 Macs?
<j`ey>
'haters' :P
<ChaosPrincess>
because arm transition seemed like a logical point to do that, and ipad and mac os design kinda converges
<ChaosPrincess>
+ the other os boot story was very unclear at the start
<ChaosPrincess>
someone explicitly asked 'can we run linux' on one of the presentation and the and the answer was 'sure, in a vm', which didnt inspire confidence
<DexterHaxxor>
i don't know how locking down macs could be considered logical at any point
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<DexterHaxxor>
the Mac user base is way more "hardcore" than the iOS user base and i think people on Mac wouldn't like the kind of restrictions that Apple places on iOS
<ChaosPrincess>
Thats why they didnt do it
<ChaosPrincess>
but people were afraid at one point
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<DexterHaxxor>
does Asahi mess up your speakers still or was that fixed
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<j`ey>
DexterHaxxor: they're still disabled
<DexterHaxxor>
ah
<j`ey>
but headphone jack works
<DexterHaxxor>
my machine still has one
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